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Offline WMLute

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Re: Time to revisit ENY...
« Reply #60 on: March 25, 2010, 12:56:11 PM »
Uptown, did you play Little League Baseball as a kid?

If so, how many times during an average season did you switch teams?

If the answer is "none," was that because of loyalty to a shirt, or loyalty to the team?

How many little league games have been played with one team having 12 player on the field and the other having 8.

Point of fact I once was on a YMCA basketball team as a kid that had extra players on it.  I was moved mid-season to another team that didn't have enough.  IF this game was run like little league HiTech would dictate which team we fly for and would move us around to keep it balanced.

Nobody wants that so it is up to US as a community to balance it ourselves.

I am very chess piece loyal.  I have flown for the Knights from day one.  That doesn't mean that if the Knights have overwhelming numbers one night I won't switch the WidowMakers to another country.  Usually we are not gone for more than a day or three and we always go back home to Knights.

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I can't think of a single "good" reason to stick with only one country "no matter what" if by doing so it is detrimental to the game as a whole.
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Offline BaldEagl

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Re: Time to revisit ENY...
« Reply #61 on: March 25, 2010, 01:12:39 PM »
The OP is obviously a noob who hasn't been through the "sometimes you're the bug, sometime's your the windshield" cycles of the game in terms of both sheer numbers per country or the aspect of two counties ganging the other.  As sure as the sun will rize every day the ganging will shift over time.  In the meantime if you want to be loyal to your country just deal with it.  It usually seems to take 3-4 months.  I actually prefer when the Bish are outnumbered and are the "bug".

I don't think that balancing the arenas has any large effect on this.  If you spread the current country numbers evenly through both LW arenas the proportions are still the same although there might be less tendency in one arena to have both counties ganging the other than in the other arena.  At the same time, the overall numbers balance between countries might be that much more exagerrated in one arena actually making it worse.

262's are easy to avoid.  Especially in a high ENY MW or EW bird.  I'd be more worried about that Ki-61 who snuck into the fight than I would be about 2 or even 3 262's.

Maybe what really needs to be revisited is your perception of the game and what's fun.
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Re: Time to revisit ENY...
« Reply #62 on: March 25, 2010, 01:33:06 PM »
Uptown, did you play Little League Baseball as a kid?

If so, how many times during an average season did you switch teams?

If the answer is "none," was that because of loyalty to a shirt, or loyalty to the team?

that's a terrible analogy

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Re: Time to revisit ENY...
« Reply #63 on: March 25, 2010, 01:36:27 PM »
Eny only bites you if you fly late war high ENY planes, consistently on the high number side.

You basically have 3 choices, put up with the eny limits, fly something else, or fly on a different side.

It isn't broken, please stop trying to fix it.

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Re: Time to revisit ENY...
« Reply #64 on: March 25, 2010, 01:38:06 PM »
Rooks and Bish, Bish and Knights Blah blah  :cry  I'm starting to see how nice it is to have 5-6 like minded people to fly with. Throw out the sides, quit the crying and play a game.

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Re: Time to revisit ENY...
« Reply #65 on: March 25, 2010, 01:43:46 PM »
Inglorious Squadster's       

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Re: Time to revisit ENY...
« Reply #66 on: March 25, 2010, 02:41:39 PM »
What appears to be happening is that when arena balancing is not in effect, everyone flocks to the Orange Arena, and it appears that the Rooks have the most amount of players, at this point in time, playing the game.

If balancing was turned back on, it would force Rooks to populate both the Orange and Blue arenas and most likely would balance their 'total' population across the 2 arenas, which in turn would most likely not result in the huge ENY penalty that they are now seeing.
ENY is based on percentages.  If one side has more than 10% over the side with the least numbers, then ENY kicks in.

Splitting between two arenas will likely exaggerate ENY in one of the arenas.  Which would give an incentive to go to the other arena, which would lead (in theory) to two arenas with the same distribution (ENY).  This, of course, assumes no changing of countries.

Am I over thinking this?
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Re: Time to revisit ENY...
« Reply #67 on: March 25, 2010, 02:48:29 PM »
Uptown, did you play Little League Baseball as a kid?

If so, how many times during an average season did you switch teams?

If the answer is "none," was that because of loyalty to a shirt, or loyalty to the team?
No, i played foolball. There was no need to switch teams as they had the same amount of players they did. But if I were to move to another town, I'd play for that school. My loyality was with the game.
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Re: Time to revisit ENY...
« Reply #68 on: March 25, 2010, 04:36:26 PM »
While I can't say I really understand the tie-in to ENY that the OP is complaining about, I do wish that the battle was spread out more, more of the time when I sign in. 

Too often, it seems as though there are 3 areas of contention on the map, in one big circle of hording - one area where 80% of one chess pieces players are trying to overrun 20% of another's, while the missing 80% of the second chess pieces players are are on the other side of the map hording against 20% of the 3rd pieces players, and of course, the remaining 80% of the third pieces are trying to overrun the 20% of the first chess pieces players that didn't join in the horde against country 2.

Not saying how to fix it or even if it can be, given that folks are folks - just wishing it weren't like that so much of the time.

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Re: Time to revisit ENY...
« Reply #69 on: March 25, 2010, 05:14:47 PM »
While I can't say I really understand the tie-in to ENY that the OP is complaining about, I do wish that the battle was spread out more, more of the time when I sign in. 

Too often, it seems as though there are 3 areas of contention on the map, in one big circle of hording - one area where 80% of one chess pieces players are trying to overrun 20% of another's, while the missing 80% of the second chess pieces players are are on the other side of the map hording against 20% of the 3rd pieces players, and of course, the remaining 80% of the third pieces are trying to overrun the 20% of the first chess pieces players that didn't join in the horde against country 2.

Not saying how to fix it or even if it can be, given that folks are folks - just wishing it weren't like that so much of the time.

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Yup, Someone said on 200 the other day that hit it spot on.."fights in the MA have gotten to be 1 of 2 scenarios. 10 vs 1 or 1 vs 10." Seems that most of the fighting style is not spread out through the map. Either you are in the horde or fighting the horde.. This happens on all countries at any given point. Whatever HTC does with ENY, Capping etc wouldnt do anything to solve the problem.
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Re: Time to revisit ENY...
« Reply #70 on: March 25, 2010, 06:41:05 PM »
The problem is a few big squads went Rook over the last year. So after 4 years as a Rook I went Knight. I'm flying with JG11 now and having a great time. Now the problem I have is that the perk point bonus is to high on the Knights. I didn't know what to do with my points before and now I really have a problem. So HTC I'm upset that you had out to many perks because the sides are uneven and people wont change and I can't loses 262's fast enough!!!!!!!

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Re: Time to revisit ENY...
« Reply #71 on: March 25, 2010, 07:09:14 PM »
While I can't say I really understand the tie-in to ENY that the OP is complaining about, I do wish that the battle was spread out more, more of the time when I sign in. 

Too often, it seems as though there are 3 areas of contention on the map, in one big circle of hording - one area where 80% of one chess pieces players are trying to overrun 20% of another's, while the missing 80% of the second chess pieces players are are on the other side of the map hording against 20% of the 3rd pieces players, and of course, the remaining 80% of the third pieces are trying to overrun the 20% of the first chess pieces players that didn't join in the horde against country 2.

Not saying how to fix it or even if it can be, given that folks are folks - just wishing it weren't like that so much of the time.

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The problem is lack of skill. To many players today don't want to learn how to fly, how to plan missions, how to execute missions. So they are cannon fodder to average players. To make up for their lack of skill and to try and "live" a bit longer they hide behind numbers.

What players...who like missions and base taking... should do is instead of try to help out those in the horde is to start their own missions. Instead of having a single front/horde they could have 5 fights and attempts at 5 different captures going on at once. This would spread out the fronts, build more "battles", have more options for enemy to defend, and cut down the hordes.

The bigger squads could take the lead on this and others would follow....after all thats what they are good at  :D It's more up to the player base to take care of the hording. We DO NOT need HTC stepping in with a "fix". Sometimes the fix is worst than the problem !

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Re: Time to revisit ENY...
« Reply #72 on: March 25, 2010, 08:15:19 PM »
ENY does not work, Has not worked, and will never work.
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Re: Time to revisit ENY...
« Reply #73 on: March 25, 2010, 08:15:31 PM »
Uptown, did you play Little League Baseball as a kid?

If so, how many times during an average season did you switch teams?

If the answer is "none," was that because of loyalty to a shirt, or loyalty to the team?

You are comparing real life.... to a computer game.   :headscratch:



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Re: Time to revisit ENY...
« Reply #74 on: March 27, 2010, 08:26:11 AM »
:lol :rofl :lol You're kidding, right? This is a joke?  :rofl :lol :rofl

There's one team that's had such a big numerical advantage lately that it frequently has as many pilots as both the others put together, and one side that for months now has consistently run more rolling horde base swamps than both the others, and it ain' bish. Hint: it ain't nits either.

When the Rejects decided we needed to leave nits, there was no question which way to go: rooks meant skies full of green and high ENY, bish meant better organized and motivated to fight as a team. Rooks had already been constantly rolling hordes for some time by then.

SSSHHHH!,,, the kills are so easy.

Oh the humanity, the carnage after every one of those massive NOE's ..........   :rofl    They certainly are not the most deadly squad, but die the most at doing it ......  :D


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