Question on the Tiger's armor

[THRASH99]

I really don't get how the tiger's armor really sucks now, I got hit in the hull by a panzar's round from 2400 yards out and it killed me. Then I got hit in the hull another time by a T-34/76 that was the same distance and he killed me. There is absolutely no reason why these rounds are killing me in one shot, especially when the Tiger has 110mm armor in the front hull. FIX it plz!

[Yossarian]

The answer to your statement is very simple.

The front of the Tiger is not surrounded by a solid metal plate of armour 110mm thick.  The overall armour may be 110mm, but there will be places where it is thinner and therefore weaker.  If you get hit in one of those places where it's weaker, you should expect to take damage.  From what you said, it's almost certain that this is what happened, and therefore you should be blaming some bad 'luck' (or skilful aiming by your opponents) instead of the modelling of the Tiger in Aces High.

[THRASH99]

Ok, that's great, I'm talking about the full front of the Tiger, not the weakness of it. If I get hit from 2400 yrds out from the front and die in 1 shot shot, that's stupid. Yet when I hit a Tiger in the front that far, it always bounces off no matter what kind of round it is. So it has to be something screwed up in the tiger modeling if it happens to them but not me.

[AWwrgwy]

Ok, that's great, I'm talking about the full front of the Tiger, not the weakness of it. If I get hit from 2400 yrds out from the front and die in 1 shot shot, that's stupid. Yet when I hit a Tiger in the front that far, it always bounces off no matter what kind of round it is. So it has to be something screwed up in the tiger modeling if it happens to them but not me.

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wrongway

[The Fugitive]

Ok, that's great, I'm talking about the full front of the Tiger, not the weakness of it. If I get hit from 2400 yrds out from the front and die in 1 shot shot, that's stupid. Yet when I hit a Tiger in the front that far, it always bounces off no matter what kind of round it is. So it has to be something screwed up in the tiger modeling if it happens to them but not me.

maybe they are hitting the drivers hatch where you are hitting the thickest armor... aim is very important with the rounds.

[E25280]

It is very difficult to determine where you yourself were hit by watching an incoming round.  I've had several times a round appear to go past me or over me only to hear the hit and take damage/get killed a fraction of a second thereafter.

Lucky shots happen.  I've managed to hit a Tiger on the turret ring from some 1500 yards away before and insta-poofed him.  But it was just that -- luck on the hit location.  A little higher and it most likely would have bounced off his mantlet, a little lower and it most likely would have bounced off his hull.

There is also something missing in your post, and it is any reference to elevation.  Especially for a T-34/76 to hit you from anywhere near 2400 yards, he must have had an elevation advantage, which very well could mean a hit to your top armor, which is only about an inch thick.

Or maybe you are just a poor judge of distance.  Without film, hard to say.

[Guppy35]

Ok, that's great, I'm talking about the full front of the Tiger, not the weakness of it. If I get hit from 2400 yrds out from the front and die in 1 shot shot, that's stupid. Yet when I hit a Tiger in the front that far, it always bounces off no matter what kind of round it is. So it has to be something screwed up in the tiger modeling if it happens to them but not me.

I look forward to your completely accurate in every way game.  I hope it doesn't take you too long to design and get it into production.  How could those bastages at HTC have gotten things so wrong!

[THRASH99]

It is very difficult to determine where you yourself were hit by watching an incoming round.  I've had several times a round appear to go past me or over me only to hear the hit and take damage/get killed a fraction of a second thereafter.

Lucky shots happen.  I've managed to hit a Tiger on the turret ring from some 1500 yards away before and insta-poofed him.  But it was just that -- luck on the hit location.  A little higher and it most likely would have bounced off his mantlet, a little lower and it most likely would have bounced off his hull.

There is also something missing in your post, and it is any reference to elevation.  Especially for a T-34/76 to hit you from anywhere near 2400 yards, he must have had an elevation advantage, which very well could mean a hit to your top armor, which is only about an inch thick.

Or maybe you are just a poor judge of distance.  Without film, hard to say.

On flat land it shouldn't be possible, that's why they need to add the freakin hills back in BY THE NEXT PATCH. Everytime I hit people's tiger in the front, every round, even HVAP still bounces off and doesn't do anything,( sometimes if I get lucky). 1700 yrds is close to any target, but 2400 yrds and someone kills a tiger in one shot while in a T-34/76, come on, that's bs

[MiloMorai]

[lyric1]

  but 2400 yrds and someone kills a tiger in one shot while in a T-34/76, come on, that's bs

HVAP

[715]

HVAP is less effective than AP at ranges beyond about 1200 yds (according to HTC).  Use HVAP only at close range.

I find it highly suspect a T34/76 did anything to a Tiger at 2400 yds.  Try it offline.  The T34/76 can only kill a Tiger at point blank range using HVAP, and then only hitting certain areas.

[lyric1]

HVAP is less effective than AP at ranges beyond about 1200 yds (according to HTC).  Use HVAP only at close range.

I find it highly suspect a T34/76 did anything to a Tiger at 2400 yds.  Try it offline.  The T34/76 can only kill a Tiger at point blank range using HVAP, and then only hitting certain areas.

I don't agree as I have done it at greater distances.

[Krusty]

Then it only highlights the issues with hitting and damage in tanks in AH.

It should NOT, yet it DOES, therefore there's a problem somewhere.

[AirFlyer]

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Looks a lot more like the Tiger II to me, we have the Tiger I. Though I can't say how much the armor thickness varies, there is a distant difference in armor slope.

[MiloMorai]

Looks a lot more like the Tiger II to me, we have the Tiger I. Though I can't say how much the armor thickness varies, there is a distant difference in armor slope.

Oops, try again.



from http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/tiger1.htm