Author Topic: Flying Boats, Which one's?, and Why do we want theam? (Read 788 times)

brady · « **on:** October 28, 2001, 05:30:00 PM »

Bellow is a list of some types of sea planes that could be competive in the MA.

PB2Y Coronado
Bomb's 8,000 internal and 4,000 external!
torpedo capable.
Eight 50cal MG's
223MPH

H8K "Emily"
4,410lb's of Bomb's
torpedo capable
five 20mm and three 7.7mm mg's
282MPH

N1K1 Kyofo "Rex"
Two 33kg bomb's
Two 20mm, Two 7.7mm mg's
304 MPH

A6M2-N Zero "Rufe"
Two 60kg bombs
Two 20mm and two 7.7mm mg's
270MPH

SC-1 Sehawk
Two 250lb and two 100lb bomb's
Two 50 cal mg's
313 mph

Now just 2 of these would make a real nice start in the seaplane department. The Coronado as a buff and the N1K1 as a ftr. they could be used from ports and V bases near a lake or the water, or even airfield's near the water. heck if the added the transport varient of the JU 52 float plane or the transport varent of the coronado it's self you could do a whole capture from one of thse bases. A seaplane tender could be added aas a seperat TF. this would all be a little more feasable on a large map type that Pyro mentioned in the past.

Coronado:

N1K1

Besides if they add the N1K1 mabby people would stop calling the N1K2-J a NIKI

Karnak · « **Reply #1 on:** October 28, 2001, 05:37:00 PM »

My vote is definately for Emily.

H8K2 'Emily'

Armed with 5 20mm Type 99 Model Is and 3 7.7mm Type 92 machine guns as defensive fire and capable of carrying 4,410lbs of bombs or 2 of the nasty Japanese torpedoes.
It has an intial climb rate of 1,800ft per minute (for a 4 engined bomber type that is REALLY good),a top speed of 290mph and a flight endurance of 24 hours.
It was heavily built with self sealing fuel tanks, engine armor and armored crew positions.
It was powered by 4 1,850hp Mitsubishi MK4Q Kasei 22 fourteen-cylinder air-cooled radial engines.

The best flying boat of the war by a good margin.

EDIT: I yanked an image.

[ 10-28-2001: Message edited by: Karnak ]

Seeker · « **Reply #2 on:** October 28, 2001, 06:37:00 PM »

You missed the Sunderland, a behemoth used for anti-sub/anti-ship warfare, and if the goony can supply GV's, then there's a myriad of smaller search/rescue float planes which would be suitable for resupplying PT and maybe even picking up chutes..

steely07 · « **Reply #3 on:** October 28, 2001, 07:15:00 PM »

Sunderland was the most heavily armed of all WW2 Flying Boats,my vote goes to this mighty craft (not just so i can show my Grandpa some screenshots of his old ride

)
Steely

Karnak · « **Reply #4 on:** October 28, 2001, 08:02:00 PM »

Steely07,

How so. All the data that I have seen says that it was poorly armed.

The most heavily gunned flying boat was the H8K2 "Emily" and brady's info on the PB2Y Coronado puts it at the highest payload of any WWII flying boat that I am aware of.

The Sunderland would be dead meat in AH. 7 .303s in turrets, 4 fixed .303s in the wings and 2 .50s in waist positions isn't that well armed.
Its payload of 4,960lbs is only slightly larger than the H8K2's and its performance isn't even close. The Sunderland's 212mph against the H8K2's 282mph and the Sunderland's initial climb rate of 790 feet per minute against the H8K2's 1,800 feet per minute.

SKurj · « **Reply #5 on:** October 28, 2001, 08:49:00 PM »

What about the Dornier errm was it Do24T?

SKurj

brady · « **Reply #6 on:** October 28, 2001, 08:53:00 PM »

Well said Karnak.

Their are tons of different floatplanes that I did not include in the above list, some of which are amongst my favorite's of this type: He 115, Cant Z. 506, PBY, AR 196, and the Sunderland. They were not mentioned because they well how to say this nicely....They have a p!ss poor performance on a number of leavels. those mentioned could Survive in the MA,at least long enough to compeat. I personaly would rather see the Emily, but I think the Cornado Would be a better Buff type, it could also be used for troop delevery, and resupply sorties simply by doing a varient, this is true for the Emily as well.

steely07 · « **Reply #7 on:** October 28, 2001, 10:24:00 PM »

Karnak,i will have to call My Grandpa,i think that is what he told me,of course he might not have been talking about the Japanese AC,possibly just the Allied,would i be right in saying it was the most heavily armed Allied flying boat?

He has some great pictures btw (gramps) he made friends with the squadron photographer and was able to get some fantastic action shots,my fave is taken at about 300ft alt directly above a German U-Boat that is lying on the surface,The Sunderland is strafing it and there are gouts of water jumping up all around it

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Btw Karnak or anyone who has a good avation library,i would love to get any info on Number 10 squad RAAF during ww2,they flew Sunderlands for coastal command,Grandpa's name is Ernest Binns

Thanks
Steely

Buzzbait · « **Reply #8 on:** October 30, 2001, 02:52:00 AM »

S!

Sunderlands did excellent work against U-boats. But whenever they met up with Ju88G's on patrol, they were in trouble.

Buzzbait · « **Reply #9 on:** October 30, 2001, 02:56:00 AM »

S!

Most of the time Sundelands carried depth charges. They did their killing of subs with these. Usually after they caught them on the surface. Many U-boats choose to stand and fight rather than dive and get blasted. Some of the later model U-boats had 20mm AA on the deck. There were some epic battles between U-boats and Sunderlands.

brady · « **Reply #10 on:** November 15, 2001, 07:49:00 PM »

Hmmmm

Replicant · « **Reply #11 on:** November 16, 2001, 04:37:00 AM »

I'd still like a Sunderland or Catalina!

I mentioned in another thread where float planes could have a use. When the subs arrive in AH then float planes could have a use. How? Well make the float/recon planes the only aircraft that can deploy bhoys or flares or a simple marker on the map to show the location of the enemy fleet or submarines (this could display for up to an hour at the last know location of the enemy ships). Friendly subs could then plot an intercept course to the enemy fleet, otherwise they'd be pretty useless due to their very low speed. Therefore float/recon planes could have a use!

Regards

Nexx

Bombjack · « **Reply #12 on:** November 16, 2001, 08:12:00 AM »

I've said it before, I'll say it again:

Bring the Spruce Moose to AH!

LLv34_Snefens · « **Reply #13 on:** November 16, 2001, 10:24:00 AM »

Talk about competitive you can not leave out the Blohm und Voss Bv 222 Wiking.

Those turrets are with a 20mm

Besides those three it has five 13mm's.

Downside is that it's a transport aircraft and low numbers built.

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Stahler72 · « **Reply #14 on:** November 16, 2001, 04:10:00 PM »

I missed this thread when I posted about the PBM-5.... so here: http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=9&t=002758