Tail Dragger

[Vulcan]

Ask yourself honestly, does he (I) care?

RC

That's cool, but when your friend ends up a smudge on some dirt don't expect sympathy.

[Simba]

"Life is a drug. And it is the most addictive drug. The closer to death you are, the better the payout."

A very good modernisation of Heidegger's dictum: 'No man has truly lived until he has stared death in the face.' 

[MORAY37]

I can tell you have a difficult time reading.

We're against this veteran jumping in and flying for two reasons:
1. He apparently never considered other people.
2. Him crashing will only tighten an already taut leash on General Aviation.

+2. 

[Airborne]

I read every post in this thread (and man, do my eyes hurt  )

what I have noticed is that more people are concerned about this one person with whom is there is a higher chance of him taking this thing to a safe location than not... i.e. little to no risk of collateral damage to pursue rights given to him by better men than ANYONE on this forum than they are about when they see some guy driving like an idiot on the freeways. Sure, in a car there is no vertical dimension... usually...    however there is the potential to kill/wound many more people in a +/- 4000lb vehicle that there is in that a/c.

Whistle blowers and nay sayers and GO-GET-UMS!... I to an extent agree a little with everyone here.  I have flown , parachuted (static line and free fall) I have rock climbed, conducted Fast Rope Insertion Extraction System (FRIES) operations rappelled from rock faces and off helicopters in the air and I could go on and on and on and on... So for that, I tend to agree with those who seem to share my philosophy on living life.

I also believe that people should have some experience and training before they get in over their heads.

I agree that people should pursue happiness to the full extent of their abilites so long as it doesn't impede others, i.e. not hurting others/damaging others property.


anyways, I'd pose this question... Has anyone, especially the OP, considered that he may be thrill seeking to feed a desire for the adrenaline rush you experience in combat? IF that is the case, then talk to him about it before that develops into a bigger problem because this goes far beyond some licensed pilot crying about restrictions.... (P.S. dont like restrictions, dont fly! because Im willing to bet that MOST restrictions were put into place because LICENSED pilots effed up, more so than someone not licensed trying)


Remember!

Death smiles at us all... Smile back 

[BiPoLaR]

rake the yard?


more like fertilize the yard

yea go fertilize your yard MAN!






Todd

WHAT!!!!!!! Dont do that. Fertilizer is full of methane gas and could catch fire to your yard!! Even your neighbors yard. Then the police, firemen neighbors and insurance men have to witness the pure carnage. Hope you arent like the rest of us (assuming) you dont have home owners insurance. OHHH THE HUMANITY!!!!!! 

[BiPoLaR]

I read every post in this thread (and man, do my eyes hurt  )

what I have noticed is that more people are concerned about this one person with whom is there is a higher chance of him taking this thing to a safe location than not... i.e. little to no risk of collateral damage to pursue rights given to him by better men than ANYONE on this forum than they are about when they see some guy driving like an idiot on the freeways. Sure, in a car there is no vertical dimension... usually...    however there is the potential to kill/wound many more people in a +/- 4000lb vehicle that there is in that a/c.

Whistle blowers and nay sayers and GO-GET-UMS!... I to an extent agree a little with everyone here.  I have flown , parachuted (static line and free fall) I have rock climbed, conducted Fast Rope Insertion Extraction System (FRIES) operations rappelled from rock faces and off helicopters in the air and I could go on and on and on and on... So for that, I tend to agree with those who seem to share my philosophy on living life.

I also believe that people should have some experience and training before they get in over their heads.

I agree that people should pursue happiness to the full extent of their abilites so long as it doesn't impede others, i.e. not hurting others/damaging others property.


anyways, I'd pose this question... Has anyone, especially the OP, considered that he may be thrill seeking to feed a desire for the adrenaline rush you experience in combat? IF that is the case, then talk to him about it before that develops into a bigger problem because this goes far beyond some licensed pilot crying about restrictions.... (P.S. dont like restrictions, dont fly! because Im willing to bet that MOST restrictions were put into place because LICENSED pilots effed up, more so than someone not licensed trying)


Remember!

Death smiles at us all... Smile back 

I would have to agree with you 100% on everything. Well said 

[jollyFE]

Whenever I set out to do something, I ask one simple question..........what could possibly go wrong?  most of the time it's with heavy sarcasm, but sometimes its legit.  I have been around avaition for 20+ years in one form or another and thats where the sarcasm comes in...mabye tempting fate a little.  But this I think, is tempting fate quite a bit more.  I would have to agree with the whole getting an A&P to look it over, then I'd talk to someone who's flown this type before(plus find out which class it falls into might be a huge help).   Hell, if you wanna feel like mr. risk taker, find a video about flying this thing.  I wouldn't go in without any knowledge whatsoever, I would want at least some kind of fam on this thing before I'd even think about taking it up. I think it would be a hoot to fly it though.

[RipChord929]

Sure, if you are going right up to the edge, ya might as well take a peek into the abyss, just don't fall in.. Tweek the ol hypothalmus a bit, taste a little of that fight/flight adrenalin rush.. Oh yeah, been doing that all my life, in and out of the military!

As another poster said earlier, I think that plane is a little more substantial than an "ultralight".. Might very well require a licence of some kind.. It is instrumented, might be enclosed by the look of it, has primitive 'brakes' on the tiny wheels, which look more suited to concrete than mowed buffalo grass in a cow pasture..  It definately wouldn't be my first choice to do my own little "discovery of flight" excercise.. But if it fell into my lap thru some deal I had made, then that would be the one... I'd do it too!

I would really be worried more about damaging the machine, than myself.. The fix vs fun factor on this thing would be most unfavorable.. 5 minutes of fun, for ? ? ? of repairs after crunching it?  Thats not good!

For my purposes, this would be more appropriate... Perfect, a tail dragger too! After all, I don't want 1/2 the apple, I want the whole damn thing, LOL..  Learning a step at a time, on my own, would be a TOTAL GAS man, make memories for a lifetime..
Has a 15mph stall speed, and has the Bleriot look going on, I like it!



 

[1carbine]

He's not that smart is he but on the upside he'll probably give you his jeep for some Play-Doh 

[Denholm]

what I have noticed is that more people are concerned about this one person with whom is there is a higher chance of him taking this thing to a safe location than not... i.e. little to no risk of collateral damage to pursue rights given to him by better men than ANYONE on this forum than they are about when they see some guy driving like an idiot on the freeways. Sure, in a car there is no vertical dimension... usually...    however there is the potential to kill/wound many more people in a +/- 4000lb vehicle that there is in that a/c...

Your observations are quite accurate. Yet there's also some reasoning behind our vigilance which you may not be aware of.
How likely is it that driving violations are enforced? For instance, driving over the speed limit, forgetting to turn on your lights, not adhering to roadsigns (rolling stops, not yielding, etc...) and on and on...?

Compare that to aviation, where the FAA will hammer you for any violation they become aware of. In addition, the FAA has multiple resources available to pin you with almost any violation they feel you committed. Radar echoes and ATC communication frequencies are both recorded providing records of aircraft activity. Consider it the same as a police officer riding next to you.

In addition, every time General Aviation is involved in another incident or accident, the FAA seems to believe tighter regulations are the cure. The problem here is the fact that General Aviation spans from Light Aircraft (such as what our veteran is flying) all the way to heavy 747s. As long as it's not a scheduled operation, the flight falls under the "General Aviation" category. Here's where the unfair situations arise. Due to manufacturing deficiencies, wings falling off Light Sport experimental aircraft will limit activities of other aircraft being operated as General Aviation, even if they're not Light Sport and/or experimental. Therefore any incident or accident within General Aviation will affect all General Aviation flights because of tightened regulations.

To put this in perspective, it's the same as banning objects from "flying" out of your mouth because someone spat on a rug. A few days later, you laugh while eating lunch and a crumb inadvertently flies out of your mouth. Being understanding, the FAA decides to be lenient and fines you $2,000. Just a few days later you get sick and puke into a toilet, only to be fined $5,000.

...(P.S. dont like restrictions, dont fly! because Im willing to bet that MOST restrictions were put into place because LICENSED pilots effed up, more so than someone not licensed trying)...

You're correct. Yet the actions of uncertified pilots will tighten leashes upon certificated pilots.

[Denholm]

To look back at enforcement, I just received this in my inbox:

Aerial oil spill response operations are being conducted in the Gulf of Mexico for the Deepwater Horizon oil spill.

Surface burning of oil is currently in progress and numerous large fixed-wing aircraft will be spraying chemical dispersants at very low altitude.  Stay 3 NM clear of dispersant and spotter aircraft, and transit the area above 2,000 feet MSL.  Refer to FAA NOTAMS for the most current information
 
Monitor 123.45 mHz for de-confliction.  Aircraft interfering with dispersant and burn operations will be reported to the FAA.

The FAA interprets "interfering" to mean flying within 3nm of dispersant or spotter aircraft at or below 2,000FT MSL. Heck, I'd even go as far as to stay 3nm away from dispersant and spotter aircraft while flying above 2,000FT MSL.

[mechanic]

I would fly it, would be a thrill. Somewhere quiet where no one else could get hurt. You gotta die sometime.

[Golfer]

I was recently flying my own personal aircraft, a small single engine aircraft that straddles the line between Single Engine Power and Light Sport, on a perfectly clear, calm day. I took off from my home field at Dillingham Airfield, made the 30 minute flight to Honolulu International Airport with my father in the right seat. I followed all of my check-lists, and made a text-book approach as per my training. On the turn from base to final, at about 600ft AGL and midway through my bank, the nose started to drop, and the plane began to roll into the turn. No big deal, just a small gust of wind. I went to make a slight correction on the stick, and found the stick would not move. The nose got lower, and I was headed at the ground while banked. Rudders responded fine, but the stick had absolutely no motion in any direction. Long story short, after a few miliseconds of panic, I collected my wits about me and evaluated the situation. Finally, I realized my father's sunglasses had fallen, and wedged into the well the stick rests in on his side of the aircraft. Well, once the stick was cleared I had a new problem. I was just a hundred feet or so off the ground, with far too much speed due to my dive, and constrained to land on that pass, with traffic running parallel to me on 4R, and traffic at an angle to me on 8L. Whats more, I had to land and hold short before the intersection with 8L in an aircraft notorious for floating. So, with little altitude, WAY too much speed, and not nearly as much runway space to land as I would have liked, I had to use every trick in the book, and fly that fuzzy line between control and stall, in order to shed enough speed to get my gear on the ground. Brakes squeezed, I rolled to a stop mere feet from the Hold Short line at the intersection with 8R, out of breath, shaken, and not anxious to get into the air again.

While you lived, you could have done better.  How?

What could you do differently in the future that turns this story into nothing nearly as the self imposed stress and drama into a ho-hum, no big deal and routine day out flying?  The drama in your story comes entirely from you placing it upon yourself, not the airplane doing it, not the other airplanes in the area doing it and not the newly smashed sunglasses doing it.

What were you not when you were at <500' AGL, approach speed + lots, high and unsure of a safe outcome of the landing?  It starts with an S.

What do you do when you realize you do not mean the requirements of the phrase that starts with S?

[BiPoLaR]

I would fly it, would be a thrill. Somewhere quiet where no one else could get hurt. You gotta die sometime.

thats why i like you.

To me, there is no such thing as death, there is only change

[Serenity]

While you lived, you could have done better.  How?

What could you do differently in the future that turns this story into nothing nearly as the self imposed stress and drama into a ho-hum, no big deal and routine day out flying?  The drama in your story comes entirely from you placing it upon yourself, not the airplane doing it, not the other airplanes in the area doing it and not the newly smashed sunglasses doing it.

What were you not when you were at <500' AGL, approach speed + lots, high and unsure of a safe outcome of the landing?  It starts with an S.

What do you do when you realize you do not mean the requirements of the phrase that starts with S?

Perhaps it's the way you phrased this, but I have no clue what in god's name you are talking about.