Why do we need the 75mm Sherman? (rant)

[Karnak]

TRASH99,

The Spit XVI saw lots of combat.  You're in fantasy land if you think it didn't.

[Ack-Ack]

Ok, first off to start, if you don't want a 75mm sherman than ignore the fact that it was never brought up, as if it doesn't exist. I mean heck, I don't want spit 16 in the game, but yet it still gets credit for very little combat service it saw and the award to be in AH.

We have shown you conclusively that the Spitfire Mk XVI did see a lot of action during World War II and garned quite a few kills. For some reason, you insist on using the operational service record of a single Spitfire Mk XVI as proof the entire production type saw limited combat and very little kills. 

P-51H was in the war, had very little combat and why doesn't that get credit?

The P-51H never saw any combat while it was in US service.  Please, provide any verifiable data that proves otherwise.  Heck, I'll even throw in an all expenses paid date with Mensa if you're able to provide one single bit of proof that shows the P-51H saw combat in World War II or in Korea.  Hell, I'll even sweeten the pot even more and I will pay 3 months of your AH subscription if you can provide any proof it saw combat. 

Yes the customer is right,

As you've shown repeatedly with your posts, the customer is most definitely not always right.

All these bugs that are in the game right now have been there since the day of the new release of AH, for example: trees messed up,

I'm sure this graphical bug will be fixed soon.

the rounds hitting and not destroying the tree, you hitting a tree and flipping over and/or spinning out of control instead of you mowing the tree down,

Those are not bugs but rather a result of how objects are treated in the game.

etc. There's also something very easy to do if you don't like this game; end account and play something else, there are other games besides AH  

You should follow your own advice and seek a game that is a better fit for you.  I would suggest, based on your skill level, Hello Kitty Online Adventures.


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[Wildcat1]

You should follow your own advice and seek a game that is a better fit for you.  I would suggest, based on your skill level, Hello Kitty Online Adventures.


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[mbailey]

 

You should follow your own advice and seek a game that is a better fit for you.  I would suggest, based on your skill level, Hello Kitty Online Adventures.


ack-ack

 

[Shifty]

Why is AH wasting our money in designing this 'old' Sherman when we have one already?

You pay your money to play the game for a month. Once you pay to play the money is Hitech Creations to use as they see fit.

[Kenne]

*edit*
I was wrong myself on the XP-51/NA-73X armament, it is not mentioned in Dean, but online sources do have it listed as 4 .30's and 2 .50's cal MG's.  So as with most arguments it comes down to semantics.  The prototypes did have a similar armament to the P-40B but the first production models that were delivered to units did not, at least as near as I can figure.

actually it I that misspoke It was not,  2 .30s in ea wing, but TWO .30s and ONE .50 in each wing, along with the 2 .50s under the nose.

This was the armament of the Mustang1 in squadron service with No. 2 Squadron on 15 April 1942.
The Mustang1 drew first blood with the downing of an FW190 near Dieppe on 19 August 1942.

[321BAR]

Four .50 cal M2 = 255 lbs
Six .50 cal M2 = 382 lbs
Four 20mm Hispano II = 440 lbs

So there's a whopping 58 lbs difference in gun weight between the typical six machine gun US configuration and a four cannon version.

didnt allison mustangs only fly with the 4 gun setup? even the P51B only had 4 guns vs the P51Ds 6 guns... also you are leaving out ammo loadouts... 20mm cannon is alot heavier than .50caliber. So add 185lbs to the P51 4 .50cal already and add any weight of the difference to the 20mm vs the 50cal.

[Kenne]

So there's a whopping 58 lbs difference in gun weight between the typical six machine gun US configuration and a four cannon version.

yes, but you are saving over 500lbs in the Allison Mustang because of the absence of the fuselage tank.
(tank plus weight of 87g of AVgas)

[Ack-Ack]

didnt allison mustangs only fly with the 4 gun setup? even the P51B only had 4 guns vs the P51Ds 6 guns... also you are leaving out ammo loadouts... 20mm cannon is alot heavier than .50caliber. So add 185lbs to the P51 4 .50cal already and add any weight of the difference to the 20mm vs the 50cal.

The US P-51s did (P-51A) and carried over to the Merlin P-51B/C

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[THRASH99]

See Rule #4

[Karnak]

THRASH99,

I have no idea who you are as you are new here.  Thus far you have been egotistical and often in error.  While Ack-Ack is knowledgeable, he is not the foremost expert on WWII stuff here, however he is correct and you are incorrect in your claims about both the P-51H and the Spitfire Mk XVI.

First, be aware that the Spitfire Mk XVI is nothing more than a Spitfire LF.Mk IXe with an American built Packard Merlin 266 instead of the Rolls-Royce Merlin 66 in the LF.Mk IXe. LF.Mk IX first entered service in mid 1943, LF.Mk IXe, which changed the four .303s out for two .50s and added the capability to carry a 250lb bomb under each wing, entered service in early 1944.  The Spitfire Mk XVI entered service in mid 1944, but other than the engine it is identical to the LF.Mk IXe and in performance both are the same as the LF.Mk IX from mid 1943.  You are, essentially, up in arms about a fighter that was in service from the middle of 1943, prior to any Merlin powered Mustang and with a total production of over 5000 airframes.

So, do you think that Spitfire Mk IX/XVIs saw much combat between July of 1943 and the end of the war?

As to the P-51H, it was not used in WWII and was determined to be unsuitable to combat due to fragility and thus was not used in Korea.  You are equating a P-51 that never saw combat with the most produced version of the Spitfire.

[Ack-Ack]

See Rule #4

[palef]

You guys are too nice. I've been sitting here patiently waiting for the "OMG, they killed Kenne" post for aaaages.

[Die Hard]

didnt allison mustangs only fly with the 4 gun setup? even the P51B only had 4 guns vs the P51Ds 6 guns... also you are leaving out ammo loadouts... 20mm cannon is alot heavier than .50caliber. So add 185lbs to the P51 4 .50cal already and add any weight of the difference to the 20mm vs the 50cal.

No, the early Mustang I had six guns; two in the nose and four in the wings. The difference in ammo weight won't be that much, even when comparing with a four-gun P-51B. The Mustang Ia could carry about 500 rounds of 20 mm (125 rounds per gun), the P-51B carries 1260 rounds of .50 cal. A .50 cal cartridge weighs about 112 grams and the 20mm Hispano cartridge weighs about 270 grams. The difference in ammo weight should be in the area of 20 lbs.

[321BAR]

No, the early Mustang I had six guns; two in the nose and four in the wings. The difference in ammo weight won't be that much, even when comparing with a four-gun P-51B. The Mustang Ia could carry about 500 rounds of 20 mm (125 rounds per gun), the P-51B carries 1260 rounds of .50 cal. A .50 cal cartridge weighs about 112 grams and the 20mm Hispano cartridge weighs about 270 grams. The difference in ammo weight should be in the area of 20 lbs.

ok then. i concede this argument. then im all for any allison mustang then, cannon or not.