USAAF vs Luftwaffe..

[Hangtime]

An interesting sub discussion has developed in the 'F4U in Stallfights' thread regarding the FW variants; their relative merits and capabilities and notably, the potential for the Dora (when/if we get it) to unseat the Mustang as top of the fighter foodchain in AH.

Oh; I can't wait to see a Dora in AH! I was very impressed and surprised by the energy and aerodynamics modeling in AH. If the flight model fidelity holds for the Dora the way it currently does in the Mustang; we will have the most outstanding cross-platform matchup (LW v USAAF)in this sim.

Which will Win? Where? Why??  

Hang (muahhahhaaa)

[funked]

If they do it right, it's just as fast as the P-51D, but a much better climber.  P-51D has a better wingloading, so don't expect to see Doras winning dogfights.

[Hangtime]

Hiya Funked!

I'd expect it (the dora) to be faster on the deck.. maybe this in itself might not be too significant; but it's handling at high speeds while on the deck will be. I wonder it'll wind up being a nasty surpise for us stang drivers like the La5 is.  

Hang



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[Hristo]

Ahh, my favourite matchup  

Also, don't forget Dora's powerloading.

That one will give it much better acceleration, pretty important thing in E fight.

Generally, Dora would have better E income, but would be able to waste it very quickly if flown poorly.

However, it would keep E better than A-8, due to its lower drag.

Mustang could use its lower wingloading to fight it. Also, it would be flown more historically, at high alt, not as deck fighter it is now.

Can't wait to see it. And some of those Doras had cool paint job indeed.

[Minotaur]

I agree totally on the Dora right after they put in the Hawker Tempest Mk V.  

Mino

[Hristo]

Tempest, of course. But not before Dora. After the Dora. Or the Allies would have all the aces in their hands. And Tempests did not fight P 51. And don't jump to new planes, this thread was created to discuss Dora vs P 51 matchup. Otherwise someone will nail you with 262.

Dora did fight P 51. It was made to fight it. And we need it to fight the menace.

[-ik-]

howabout making the P-51 a bit more reasonable before a novelty aircraft like the 190D-9 is added into the sim. Heck the current 190A-8 can't even do 400mph TAS, i'm surprised more haven't complained about that.

Based on prevelance in the war, the more obvious choices for the next ac would be: yak3, p47, p38, bf110, typhoon, f6f, a6m

oh, and like i mentioned above, give the p51 the laminar-flow wing characteristics we've all read about  

[Fishu]

Ik: I have, when I sure don't like some spits keep with me 100% same speed at 10k, when I should be faster ;(
Looks like 190 is more correctly modelled P-51 with lower stall rate and dive to escape more used.

[gatt]

Have you guys red PYRO's post? After the B26 and some work on FMs/bugs/effects, they will step back to 1942-43, most probably variants of what we have now, i.e: SpitV, MC202, 109F4, FW190A5, La-3 (Leonid ?) .... an early P51 ....

[gatt]

sorry double post

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[leonid]

 

La-3 (Leonid ?) ....

gatt,
That would be the LaGG-3, an aircraft designed from a team of three engineers, one of which was Lavochkin.

Incidently, Lavochkin's mating of the Shvetsov M-81 radial engine to the LaGG-3 body was almost literally a desperate measure.  The reason is that the LaGG-3, which ended up being the most numerous Soviet fighter in 1942, was a very poor performing aircraft.  Stalin was extremely displeased with this state of affairs, and Lavochkin knew his reputation was seriously on the line.  Yakovlev's own criticism of anything not Yakovlev didn't help either.  Thankfully, the new configuration was an immediate success.  Thus began the legend of the La-5  

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[funked]

1000+ Doras built.

400 Tempest V built.

[spinny]

"Stalin was extremely displeased with this state of affairs, and Lavochkin knew his reputation was seriously on the line."

His reputation? What about his life?

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[juzz]

Funked, info I see says 800 Tempest Mk V built, and only 700 Fw190D... Oh by the way, where's my B-24, they built more of them than the B-17...   Oh BTW: guess what the first plane shot down by a Mustang was...?

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[-ik-]

funked, i really doubt that 1000+ Doras were built. I've always read somewhere between 700-900.

oh and juzz, the dora is still a better choice than the tempest, as the dora actually did some fighting, while the tempests mostly sat on their arses in england.

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