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Offline kilo2

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Re: Taking Carriers Out Of The Game??????
« Reply #225 on: May 05, 2010, 11:52:00 PM »
So within AH there is no defined Mega-squad, just squads with a 32 person limit.   

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Re: Taking Carriers Out Of The Game??????
« Reply #226 on: May 06, 2010, 12:57:15 AM »

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Re: Taking Carriers Out Of The Game??????
« Reply #227 on: May 06, 2010, 01:33:07 AM »
Lol ,the B.S. artist try's to find a way force the rest of us to bend to his will...

Just because you can doesn't mean you should Mjsmoke...
ANYWAY the message doesnt say you should make EVERY CV group your responsibility, it sais that  "you can control "A" CV group"
Keep it up Mj, I have no problem calling you out for the overbearing jerk that you are, and eventualy this game  will deal with you like the shallow, self serving punk that you are, and keep you from pulling your B.S.

Unfortunatly you are going to ivaribly make this "game" less than it could be by taking advantage of a "slip up" in that one MORON can take control of all of the CV groups..., and bend them to his will.

Even you could be made to understand that THIS WAS NOT THE INTENTION OF THE PROGRAMERs, and you are defiling this game TARD!

You and your squad need to take a step back, and remember what this game is about... or you are going to force HT and crew to crack down on you and your ilk.

Personaly I havent seen you run a CV attack in the last week, so you really dont have a leg to stand on...

You represent one of the  many brands of idiots that are forcing thier own way out of the game..., so dont be surprised when we do away with you, and your ilk...

So much like a child..., you try so hard to bend the rules, much like a 5 year old...

Keep it up, and you will give your squad a negative reputation all by yourself...
I really dont need to try that hard to expose you, you act stupidly enough without my help.
<S> lol. keep it up :rofl

YOU DO NOT OWN THE ROOKS CV'S no matter how much  you try to...

I swear to fight you and call you out every time you try to drive our CV's away from the fight NO MATTER WHAT ANYONE SAY'S.
I'm done trying to make sense of you and  your members, (and after all) I dont give a damn...
This is the LAST month you go about your normal B.S. without retribution.








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Re: Taking Carriers Out Of The Game??????
« Reply #228 on: May 06, 2010, 05:55:15 AM »
I believe that everywhere and always it is wrong to judge individuals by their group identity. Every person deserves the right to be judged by their own actions and words and not by the worst (or best) behavior of those within the group. Within AH I believe this is true for every player regardless of the size of the squad with which he/she is affiliated. I think it should be the responsibility of every squad's leadership to ensure that all squad members behave respectfully to other players in the game (and on the forums) in both words and actions.

However, regardless of one's opinion regarding how CV usage and large hordes affect other player's enjoyment of the game, I can guarantee that bigotry and intentionally targeting individuals for retribution based on squad membership causes a significant reduction in game enjoyment and will be bad for the growth of this community.

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Re: Taking Carriers Out Of The Game??????
« Reply #229 on: May 06, 2010, 06:35:33 AM »
I believe that everywhere and always it is wrong to judge individuals by their group identity. Every person deserves the right to be judged by their own actions and words and not by the worst (or best) behavior of those within the group. Within AH I believe this is true for every player regardless of the size of the squad with which he/she is affiliated. I think it should be the responsibility of every squad's leadership to ensure that all squad members behave respectfully to other players in the game (and on the forums) in both words and actions.

However, regardless of one's opinion regarding how CV usage and large hordes affect other player's enjoyment of the game, I can guarantee that bigotry and intentionally targeting individuals for retribution based on squad membership causes a significant reduction in game enjoyment and will be bad for the growth of this community.

I think you need to qualify this to group identity not freely chosen. For example, if I join the CPUSA, am I to be ajudged a communist? Sure, why not?

OTOH, a group of which I am a member merely by virtue of the crotch from which I emerged is another thing entirely.

Either way, Clam Humpers are made, not born.
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Re: Taking Carriers Out Of The Game??????
« Reply #230 on: May 06, 2010, 07:04:22 AM »
I think you need to qualify this to group identity not freely chosen. For example, if I join the CPUSA, am I to be ajudged a communist? Sure, why not?

OTOH, a group of which I am a member merely by virtue of the crotch from which I emerged is another thing entirely.

Either way, Clam Humpers are made, not born.
I agree that the qualification you suggest is appropriate, if and only if the basic nature of the group and it's ideology are abhorrent and known to the individual at the time of choosing to join.

I originally responded in this thread to Bruv's observations of "unscrupulous recruiting activity" and saving players from the "fate worse than death itself", (and to reinforce his supposition that "if the CJ's are helping new players learn the ins and outs of the game and answering noob questions I salute them for it."). It's hard for me to believe that you really think that all of the new players that are on the targeted list joined the CJ's because they think we are trying to destroy other people's game enjoyment.

However a commonly used tool for the perpetration of bigotry has been to convince a majority of a population, (or a minority that is willing to take action), that a group is inherently bad and therefore guilt by association is appropriate. This technique remains as a justification for bigotry. Just remember when you are targeting these players, that many are new the game and several of them are well under 18. The experience they suffer from this type of targeting is almost guaranteed to detract from their game play enjoyment and lessens the likelihood that they will stick around to learn the error of their ways.

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Re: Taking Carriers Out Of The Game??????
« Reply #231 on: May 06, 2010, 07:43:39 AM »
Just remember when you are targeting these players, that many are new the game and several of them are well under 18. The experience they suffer from this type of targeting is almost guaranteed to detract from their game play enjoyment and lessens the likelihood that they will stick around to learn the error of their ways.
Are you suggesting that many clam humpers are non compes mentes?
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Re: Taking Carriers Out Of The Game??????
« Reply #232 on: May 06, 2010, 07:58:27 AM »
Are you suggesting that many clam humpers are non compes mentes?
No, I am not suggesting that any Claim Jumpers are not of sound mind.

I am stating that ad hominem attacks, derogatory perversions of group names, and general disparagement of individuals are the tools of bigots.

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Re: Taking Carriers Out Of The Game??????
« Reply #233 on: May 06, 2010, 08:03:58 AM »
Actus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea.........

Are you suggesting that many clam humpers are non compes mentes?
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Re: Taking Carriers Out Of The Game??????
« Reply #234 on: May 06, 2010, 08:13:25 AM »
Actus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea.........

Is your point that "ignorance is no excuse" for having ever been a participant in the Claim Jumpers, (if so, what if your evidence to support "specific intent")?

Or is your point merely regarding continued participation in the Clam Humpers?

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« Reply #235 on: May 06, 2010, 08:18:24 AM »
No, I am not suggesting that any Claim Jumpers are not of sound mind.

I am stating that ad hominem attacks, derogatory perversions of group names, and general disparagement of individuals are the tools of bigots.

I guess I acknowledge the spirit of your pitch, Pitch, even as I find it a bit like taking a battleaxe into a delicate surgery.

First, the ad hominem is not so much a tool of the bigot as it is tacit acknowledgement that the argument can no longer be pursued on its merits. I see little implication that "running out of lane" on merit is necessarily equivalent to bigotry.

Second, to equate the derogatory perversion of a name to bigotry is to do something like accuse the world of bigotry (teabagger, socialist, lamestream media, MSDNC, wingnuts, the list could go on ad infinitum). You sweepingly ignore, first, the comic value in such things, second, you summarily degrade the charge of bigotry and inflate the former charge all in one fell swoop - sort of like Al Gore's famous denunciation of a failure to recycle Aluminum as morally equivalent to the commission of the holocaust. Ask any who were in Auschwitz if they get the same feeling watching someone carelessly chuck a Diet Coke empty into a watebasket as the did watching their familie sget handed wooden bars of soap - the answer might be enlightening.

You might try to refine your thinking regarding, for example here, the relative merit/demerit of using the term Clam Humper and, say, for example, rolling a black pregnant woman down the street with a firehose in Selma circa 1962.

And, all that above merely begs definition. After all, what is a bigot?

Main Entry: big·ot
Pronunciation: \ˈbi-gət\
Function: noun
Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot
Date: 1660
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance


Key here, w/r Clam Humpers, is the idea of obstinance or intolerance w/r opinions. I think we're discussing the basis for the opinion and am thus likely to dismiss your bigotry charge here out of hand since the post has largely been devoted to discovery.

Finally, w/r general disparagement, I see little reason to equate a dislike or disparagement of an individual, most of which is generally "for cause" with any kind of generally group-oriented bigotry.

In short, I like to see you lashing out like this since it's likely to help you learn, find boundaries, and sharpen distinctions. However, I'm finding you a bit "off the mark" in your statement for the reasons I've given.
 
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Re: Taking Carriers Out Of The Game??????
« Reply #236 on: May 06, 2010, 08:27:24 AM »
Not at all sir.  I have never made any derogatory comments about the Claim Jumpers...... I'm just throwing wood on this one. 

Is your point that "ignorance is no excuse" for having ever been a participant in the Claim Jumpers, (if so, what if your evidence to support "specific intent")?

Or is your point merely regarding continued participation in the Clam Humpers?

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« Reply #237 on: May 06, 2010, 08:29:22 AM »
And to be perfectly honest.....  I thought we were talking about task groups............   :uhoh
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Re: Taking Carriers Out Of The Game??????
« Reply #238 on: May 06, 2010, 08:30:47 AM »
I believe that everywhere and always it is wrong to judge individuals by their group identity. Every person deserves the right to be judged by their own actions and words and not by the worst (or best) behavior of those within the group. Within AH I believe this is true for every player regardless of the size of the squad with which he/she is affiliated. I think it should be the responsibility of every squad's leadership to ensure that all squad members behave respectfully to other players in the game (and on the forums) in both words and actions.

However, regardless of one's opinion regarding how CV usage and large hordes affect other player's enjoyment of the game, I can guarantee that bigotry and intentionally targeting individuals for retribution based on squad membership causes a significant reduction in game enjoyment and will be bad for the growth of this community.

You are a product of your own environment.  People are judged not only by there actions but as a whole, it's that way in every walk of life.  If you associate yourself with a group, each individual action is complacent on the group in it's totality.  So I disagree....
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Re: Taking Carriers Out Of The Game??????
« Reply #239 on: May 06, 2010, 08:33:37 AM »
and need to add, my question regarding competence was directed to the fact that you made a fairly direct claim that many clam humpers are just that - as in, not yet 18.

Age of competence is generally considered to be 18. That's why if, for example, a Clam Humper who was over 18 humped a Clam Humper who was less than 18, said Clam Humper could be charged with Statutory Rape, even if the Clam Humper who got humped gave consent. Why? Because the humped Clam Humper is not considered competent to give consent to the humping Clam Humper allowing that Clam Humper to hump the Clam Humper humped.

Did I mention Clam Humpers?

How many clams could a clam humper hump if a clam humper humped on clams?

Now you know where chowder comes from.

 
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