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Offline caldera

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Re: Spawn Delay vs. ENY
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2010, 09:41:13 AM »
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You want to fly with the high numbered side - along with your squaddies  (can't survive without someone watching your 6  :cry) and you still need your easy-mode crutch planes?  :rolleyes:
 
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Re: Spawn Delay vs. ENY
« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2010, 09:52:03 AM »
Ok this thread has not done anything but make me look like a score hore whiner lol. which I am not. During Highly populated times, when orange is full and blue is grossly uneven, is when i think some alternative should be in place. Regardless of what side i'm on, even if instead of filling the arenas based on numbers alone, a country count was in place, to ensure sidebalancing and fairness. anyway it was just a suggestion.


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Re: Spawn Delay vs. ENY
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2010, 09:52:23 AM »
otherwise i would just switch sides everytime the war was about to be won lol

You will not get perk points switching sides just before a reset to the team that won the reset.

when the arena is highly populated and your in a Hanger queen, fighting horde vs horde for bases, and all your seeing is 16s 51s LAs N1Ks the chances that you are gonna rtb your kills is slim.

What you fail to realize is what does the guy, who is flying for the underpopulated and overwhelmed country, feel like when you and your buddies all show up in the "hot-rods" (16s 51s LAs N1Ks) in maybe a 15 v 5 situation ? ... now if all of you guys showed up in P-40s vs them in the 16s 51s LAs N1Ks ... now the 15 v 5 becomes a little more even.

People who piss 'n moan about ENY never look at it from the "other" side ... it's always about "them" ... the game should be fun for "all".

Your saying that ENY doesn't really effect you because you can fly the higher ENY planes ... so are you speaking on behalf of all the others who can't or won't fly the high ENY planes ? ... me thinks your full of it.
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Re: Spawn Delay vs. ENY
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2010, 10:00:22 AM »
Ok this thread has not done anything but make me look like a score hore whiner lol. which I am not. During Highly populated times, when orange is full and blue is grossly uneven, is when i think some alternative should be in place. Regardless of what side i'm on, even if instead of filling the arenas based on numbers alone, a country count was in place, to ensure sidebalancing and fairness. anyway it was just a suggestion.
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Heya DEEMAN.

Unfortunately, here's what happens with a "Country Count".
Your squad has 6 members on, and you go to join the arena to join them, and the game says "Too many pilots for <insert chess piece here>. Please wait."
So you're stuck in the lobby and can't join your teammates. You grab a drink, go for a smoke break, and decide to try again later. "Too many pilots for <insert chess piece here>. Please wait."
Your choices are : A) join another Arena (which would fix your problem right now anyway), B) join another country (which would fix your problem right now anyway), C) Keep waiting for however long it takes, or D) quit out of the game entirely and go do something else.

With ENY, you can STILL join your squad members, for the fee of not being able to fly every aircraft. If a hard country count was in place, you wouldn't be able to join them AT ALL. I think you can see why ENY is a better choice than a hard country count.
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Re: Spawn Delay vs. ENY
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2010, 10:45:53 AM »
And here I thought I was a nub pile-it...at least I'm not so full of myself that I can't fly a 30 ENY plane into a pile of P-51s and Spits. You and your squad are making the choices, either be willing face the penalty or make different choices.
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Re: Spawn Delay vs. ENY
« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2010, 04:09:47 PM »
I think ENY is a pretty good one. :)
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Re: Spawn Delay vs. ENY
« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2010, 05:53:04 PM »
Since when is war fare ? If you have the best equipment and best trained you win ! Simple, get rid of ENY all together. It might actually get people to fly together as a team or country. ENY in my opinion is for the guy who flies all by himself. You all sound like our government today, make it fair for everyone. We don't keep score because we want everyone to have fun. What about skill and competitiveness!  2die4 CO Wolfpack 71st

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Re: Spawn Delay vs. ENY
« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2010, 05:57:30 PM »
Since when is war fare ? If you have the best equipment and best trained you win ! Simple, get rid of ENY all together. It might actually get people to fly together as a team or country. ENY in my opinion is for the guy who flies all by himself. You all sound like our government today, make it fair for everyone. We don't keep score because we want everyone to have fun. What about skill and competitiveness!  2die4 CO Wolfpack 71st
You want "skill and competitiveness"? Fly a 109-F4 against a P-51D or F4U. ENY works in the MAs and that is the reason it's in place.
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Re: Spawn Delay vs. ENY
« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2010, 05:58:20 PM »
Since when is war fare ? If you have the best equipment and best trained you win ! Simple, get rid of ENY all together. It might actually get people to fly together as a team or country. ENY in my opinion is for the guy who flies all by himself. You all sound like our government today, make it fair for everyone. We don't keep score because we want everyone to have fun. What about skill and competitiveness!  2die4 CO Wolfpack 71st
Pssst we play a game... and games are suppose to be fair.
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Re: Spawn Delay vs. ENY
« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2010, 08:35:51 PM »
A game is meant to be fun and fair, war is meant to be neither.  So when you start off with uneven hence unfair sides, you will never have a fun or fair game.

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Re: Spawn Delay vs. ENY
« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2010, 08:38:02 PM »
Since when is war fare ? If you have the best equipment and best trained you win ! Simple, get rid of ENY all together. It might actually get people to fly together as a team or country. ENY in my opinion is for the guy who flies all by himself. You all sound like our government today, make it fair for everyone. We don't keep score because we want everyone to have fun. What about skill and competitiveness!  2die4 CO Wolfpack 71st



Working together is not penalized. We are not trying to implement a system where consentrating your forces is hampered.

But it realy is a basic game concepts that all sides have the same number of players. If you don't belive that concept, please sight one case where a game is not designed with that in mind. And please do not tell me AH is war, because it is not, it is a War game. And games are ment to be fun and fair. While war is not ment to be either fair or fun.

With equal sides, doing what it takes to win , is what game play is. In AH there are multiple levels of winning, makeing a capture,just shooting down more people than shot you down, ending the war. All are items of game play in AH.

Having more on your team gives your side an unfair advantage to all other sides. All items of game play are effected by that imbalance. And there realy is nothing that the sides with less numbers can do about it. They can not swith countries to even the numbers, if they move to the country with more numbers it just makes everything worse. They could make a treaty, but that only works in a defensive mode.

Equal sides is such a basic consept that over the life of AH the sides have maintained a fairly equal number, the resone is realy simple, people have more fun when the sides are equal.

So now the question becomes not IF the sides should be equal,
but how to accomplish that equality with least impact to the social apspect of the game.


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Re: Spawn Delay vs. ENY
« Reply #26 on: May 04, 2010, 02:11:03 PM »
I don't know about you but when the ENY gets outta control 20+ I'd rather have a spawn delay of a minute or 2 then try and fight spit 16's and ponies with a p40 or a6m2 or any other hanger queen. I understand that they are trying to keep the sides fair, but really ENY of over 20 for more then an hour..... I had to log.

I'd really like to see some sort of alternative to the ENY penalty.

What do you guys think? any suggestions?

P.S. Switching sides is not my thing.

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Re: Spawn Delay vs. ENY
« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2010, 02:29:22 PM »
I also thought of another idea, what if upping rides under the eny value it cost you perks to up? kinda the same way the perk rides fluctuate with the side count. so if eny was 23, a 38j would cost you 10 points and a 38L 20 points. this is just an example, i know there is a formula in place with all current perk rides. so basically the lower the eny of the ride the more perks it costs you.

anyway just another idea. FLAME AWAY lol.

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Re: Spawn Delay vs. ENY
« Reply #28 on: May 04, 2010, 02:46:44 PM »
As am I, but all the same, ENY ain't going anywhere!  -1 also. 

Sorry but no.  -1

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Re: Spawn Delay vs. ENY
« Reply #29 on: May 04, 2010, 03:50:08 PM »
I also thought of another idea, what if upping rides under the eny value it cost you perks to up?

Great idea ... I love it ...

ENY 5 and above planes and vehicles will cost you 250 perks per sortie

ENY 10 and above planes and vehicles will cost you 200 perks per sortie

ENY 15 and above planes and vehicles will cost you 150 perks per sortie

ENY 20 and above planes and vehicles will cost you 100 perks per sortie

ENY 25 and above planes and vehicles have no perk cost per sortie

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