B-25C with TAIL gun

[stephen]

The B-25H being the only version with a tail gun is absolutly the biggest travesty commited in this game since the introduction of the M-4 firefly with its low perk price...

The B-26 is renderd with its best defense, and the B-25 should be the same.

Currently the only formation-capable B-25 has a window in the the tail so you can SEE the enemy fighter that is blasting you to hell, but you cant do anything about it.

I would like very much to be kind to the guys that have devised such a wonderful game, BUT I wonder outloud who the hell thought it would be a good idea to only offer a formation set of B-25's WITHOUT a tail gun?
I know through personal experiece at air shows that the J model had a tail gun, and I KNOW that implimenting it would assure more use of the type in the MA.

Far from whining, I am trying to see the type used more in the MA, as I love the "look" of the bomber, and I grew up with scenes from "30 seconds over tokyo" playing in my young head.
Please add the updated C-model guys, and thanks for the forum allowing me to suggest so.
 

[stephen]

Im sorry, I thought I had selected "wishlist".

The damage is done though...

[Karnak]

I don't believe that the B-25C had a tail gun.  What you are asking for is an additional model of B-25.

[stephen]

Oh geez, I'm at fault here..., after you said that, I recall that it was the J-model that I meant to say.

Sorry, I was going off the top of my head there..., thank you for correcting me..

[lyric1]

I don't believe that the B-25C had a tail gun.  What you are asking for is an additional model of B-25.

Using a perk for ords system this would be possible on the C model with some additional programming as aircraft were modified to J specs.
How ever if you go that far you may as well go the next step & make the J model.

[Guppy35]

The B-25H being the only version with a tail gun is absolutly the biggest travesty commited in this game since the introduction of the M-4 firefly with its low perk price...

The B-26 is renderd with its best defense, and the B-25 should be the same.

Currently the only formation-capable B-25 has a window in the the tail so you can SEE the enemy fighter that is blasting you to hell, but you cant do anything about it.

I would like very much to be kind to the guys that have devised such a wonderful game, BUT I wonder outloud who the hell thought it would be a good idea to only offer a formation set of B-25's WITHOUT a tail gun?
I know through personal experiece at air shows that the J model had a tail gun, and I KNOW that implimenting it would assure more use of the type in the MA.

Far from whining, I am trying to see the type used more in the MA, as I love the "look" of the bomber, and I grew up with scenes from "30 seconds over tokyo" playing in my young head.
Please add the updated C-model guys, and thanks for the forum allowing me to suggest so.
 

You do note that the B25Bs that bombed Tokyo had broom handles stuck through the tail glass to look like tail guns.  The had no sting.  There were some in the field mods done to add more firepower to the early 25s, but it wasn't a production run thing.  If you look at the MTO B25C/D they did not have tail guns. 

Take a 25C strafer and you've got all the guns you'll need.  Had some fun in one of those tonite after the FH's went down. 

[Beefcake]

Guppy35 actually by 1943 most B25C's were being modified in the field to have tail guns and waist guns. I read up about it when I was preparing to lead the 321st Bomber Group in the Dawn of Battle scenario last year. However, I do know what the response is that if it was a field mod then no it won't be added to the game.

HOWEVER, once again what we need is the B25J. That is the B25 that came standard with waist and tail guns off the factory floor.  

[gyrene81]

   How do you do a field mod that requires full structural work? Bolt-ons are easy...wings, rudders, cowlings, fuselage sections, engines, those are fairly easy if you have the manpower and facilities...but unless a full tail/fuselage section assembly was shipped to the squadrons, I can't imagine the amount of work it would have been to put those tail guns in place.

[ghostdancer]

The fear of death is a great motivator.

[Guppy35]

Guppy35 actually by 1943 most B25C's were being modified in the field to have tail guns and waist guns. I read up about it when I was preparing to lead the 321st Bomber Group in the Dawn of Battle scenario last year. However, I do know what the response is that if it was a field mod then no it won't be added to the game.

HOWEVER, once again what we need is the B25J. That is the B25 that came standard with waist and tail guns off the factory floor.  

We don't NEED the B25J.  Would it be a nice additional 25?  Sure.  From what I can see, HTC gave us the most bang for the buck with the 25s.  If you want the tail guns and bombs you've got the H model.  For the scenario use and for giggles in the MA we've got both a glass nose and solid nose 25C strafer.

What it sounds like folks want is formations of B25Hs with tail guns.  When the FH's go down, my first choice is a B25C strafer to go up and fight in.  Love that thing.  Haven't missed the tail guns yet

[Krusty]

Guppy, you have mentioned before your opinions that the C was the most important model. But which C?

The vanilla early war C? The field-modified C that is essentially the pattern for the later J?

I would say there is definitely a need for the J, even if only to fill in for the later field-modded Cs with waist and tail guns added in. I know we have the strafers, and I'm happy for that, but I think there is as much a need for the B-25J as there is for the Bf109G-2.

[Baumer]

  How do you do a field mod that requires full structural work? Bolt-ons are easy...wings, rudders, cowlings, fuselage sections, engines, those are fairly easy if you have the manpower and facilities...but unless a full tail/fuselage section assembly was shipped to the squadrons, I can't imagine the amount of work it would have been to put those tail guns in place.

Well, every B-25D (or PBJ-1D to us USMC/Navy guys) that saw combat had the single tail gun added. Most where done here in Kansas City (at the Fairfax plant) but several were done at Navy depots in Olathe or Hawaii.

The B-25C's walk a fine line for "field mods" being in the game. I would hate to give up the gun nose in order to get the ventral turret. I think what we have currently is a good compromise, but I hope the new ord model will increase HTC's flexibility. 

[stephen]

I fear that I have doomed this thread to failure by naming the B-25C, when I meant forward the introduction of the J model...

This aircraft (the B-25) see's VERY limited use in the MA because of a lack of deffensive firepower.
There is a remedy, and it is simple to impliment.

The J model had a twin tail mounted .50 cal, and it seems to be the most useful position in ANY bomber (Im reffering to a "sting in the tail")..., so it is with the utmost hope for the viability of this plane that I ask that the J model be included..., so that the B-25 is able to put up somwhat more than a token deffense against marauding fighters.

Love the updated Mossie and Tanks HT, keep the hits coming <S>

[stephen]

Perhaps its better to let this thread die, as I TOTALY meant the J model instead of the C.

I dont see an option to change the topic, so I suppose I must live with the idiocy of my Topic.

Once again I appologise...

[Saxman]

+1 to the 25J. Especially if we get an option for the 12-gun strafer package.