M3 and M16 Armor

[Raptor]

Very often AP rounds (from any tank) will bounce off of the M3/M16 armor in peculiar places; IE the mud flaps over the tires, the windshield, the rear door. My wish is that this would be looked at.

[321BAR]

really wouldnt do much though cuz AP passes through the M3 or M16 without killing it anyways... use HE. you wont ping anymore

[SmokinLoon]

I too use HE to deal with the M3.  At the very least, even if you miss, you will probably track it.  The HE does not have to have a direct hit to deliver damage.   

[AirFlyer]

Very often AP rounds (from any tank) will bounce off of the M3/M16 armor in peculiar places; IE the mud flaps over the tires, the windshield, the rear door. My wish is that this would be looked at.

Noticed this myself in the small amount of GVing I do.

+1

[Raptor]

Even had my HE rounds bouncing off, but thought it odd the AP rounds would as well.

[321BAR]

the only point you will ping off the M3 M16 is the very rear corners or the front corners... shoot anywhere else

[715]

I do not believe the game has a "passed through and did no damage" hit sprite so it uses the "bounced off" hit sprite.  You aren't really bouncing off M3s or M16s, you're just putting a shell straight through a non essential part.

[Killer91]

I do not believe the game has a "passed through and did no damage" hit sprite so it uses the "bounced off" hit sprite.  You aren't really bouncing off M3s or M16s, you're just putting a shell straight through a non essential part.

Never thought about that. Could be the excatly whats happening

[Raptor]

I do not believe the game has a "passed through and did no damage" hit sprite so it uses the "bounced off" hit sprite.  You aren't really bouncing off M3s or M16s, you're just putting a shell straight through a non essential part.

If it were to continue traveling straight through some of the angles I have hit, it would go through the engine. A shell through the windshield would kill the driver along with the troops in the back. An HE shell should not even bounce off...

[stephen]

Why so many excuses?

The m3's side OFTEN bounces AP rounds off, this is inaccurate and should be fixed....simple.
A shot passing through should have the hit sprite like a ricochet, BUT the round shouldnt bounce off, also SIMPLE.

I swear some guys search these threads just hoping to find somone to disagree with.

Good thread dude, 

[Krusty]

An M3 isn't an empty box. There's stuff inside it. AP [well, not all of it] works not by blowing up once passing through armor, but by punching gigantic holes in things in modern guns. The Abrams tank in use now has an armor piercing round that has no explosive component, it's all kinetic.

The act of an AP round "passing through" the M3 would cause massive damage, and this bug has been around for ages. It really needs to be fixed.

[BaDkaRmA158Th]

+1

Agreed, all old gv's and Ac/s need to be redone
Anything that holds troops should give each troop the ability of being killed. (would make base captures interesting)

[OOZ662]

There is a "passed through and did no damage" hit sprite.
The big hit sprite means the armor has been penetrated.That's all it means.
The only thing a bouncing round signifies is "failed to penetrate armor."
What happens afterward can only really be observed by which parts of the vehicle fail or by decompiling a film.

[AWwrgwy]

An M3 isn't an empty box. There's stuff inside it. AP [well, not all of it] works not by blowing up once passing through armor, but by punching gigantic holes in things in modern guns. The Abrams tank in use now has an armor piercing round that has no explosive component, it's all kinetic.

The act of an AP round "passing through" the M3 would cause massive damage, and this bug has been around for ages. It really needs to be fixed.

From Tank Aces by Ralph Zumbro:

First armor v armor Desert Storm

Amazed, we counted 15 holes of differing sizes in I-35, mostly medium to large machine-gun holes with one small-caliber AT weapon of some older type.  Luckily most of these rounds either didn't fully penetrate or just didn't hit anything sensitive on the way through.

...but on the way back to the supply-and-resource area, we were engaged by a T-72 and took two main gun SABOT rounds right through the hull.  When the first round hit, I was only scared.  When the second one hit, that terrified me.  After the second round, I knew they had a bead on us and waited for the third.
  Miraculously, neither of the two pig-iron SABOT projectiles hit anything sensitive, including human flesh.  They just went in one side and out the other, causing only minor flash burns to the crew and their passengers.

Anything is possible....

 

Why so many excuses?

The m3's side OFTEN bounces AP rounds off, this is inaccurate and should be fixed....simple.
A shot passing through should have the hit sprite like a ricochet, BUT the round shouldn't bounce off, also SIMPLE.

I swear some guys search these threads just hoping to find someone to disagree with.

Good thread dude, 

Not so much excuses as plausible explanations as why it could and did happen in real life. 

30mm to the wing and the plane flies on?  Maybe a dud? 

88mm hit doesn't kill the M-3?  Maybe the round passed through?

The internet and programming is finicky sometimes.  Everything isn't always black and white.  With the amount of rounds we fire daily, if in real life, there are bound to be some anomalies.

The percentage is probably very small but it seems like a much greater problem because we are doing it non-stop, 24/7.


wrongway

[stephen]

The internet is responsible for my bouncing 2 76mm rounds off the cargo bay of an M3 yesterday I suppose... uuum NO...

This isnt some wild shot I made on the fly, but an offset of 20 or less degrees, at a range of NO MORE than 800.
My PC could have been vomiting blood, and that half track and the soldiers inside should STILL have been dead.

Excuses..., yup, the word fits...