What He-111 would be best for AH.

[Beefcake]

Lately I've been coming to terms with the fact that AH needs another Axis bomber, and I REALLY want to fly an He-111 in BOB. 

So with that in mind I'd like to ask what model of the He-111 would be best for AH? I know some versions had 20mm guns for defense which would be great for the MA.

[Karnak]

No He111 is going to be good for the LW MA.  It was obsolete by 1942 and the more they added on to it to try to compensate just made it slower and more vulnerable.

For a LW MA bomber the Germans really have three options, the Do217E, He177A-5 and the Ju188A.


The He111 would have a great place in scenarios and the early war environments.

[Krusty]

Do 217 wasn't all that vital as a LW bomber. More often than not it was used as maritime recon, recon, and night fighter. I'm personally opposed to the He177 because it would be completely without flaws in AH, when there was better than even chance you'd burn up after takeoff in the real thing. It was a severely flawed and dangerous aircraft, with a prolonged teething period, and in AH that would be gone making it artificially far superior to the real thing.

I won't hide the fact that I want the Ju188, though. I may be biased.

[Karnak]

Ju188A would be my preference as well.  By a long shot.

[Krusty]

On the other hand.....


.... who says we can't have them all? 

[bozon]

He177 is the one that is likely to see regular use in late war. If Karnak's concerns are a real issue, they can be addressed by a symbolic perk tag. Bomber perks are cheaper than ice in Greenland and will not truly limit anyone, except for the psychological effect.

Ju188 is nice, but is it a great improvement over the current Ju88 which is not the first model?

[Karnak]

Yes, I would say a bomber with the same bomb load having a top speed of ~335mph and defended by heavier guns, including an MG151/20 in the top turret which, unlike the Ki-67's, has full 360 degree rotation is a great improvement.

The Ju88's airframe is actually pretty durable in AH.  Add in the speed and guns and it would be a good package.

The Ju188 is also a great looking bomber.

[Beefcake]

After looking up some info I would agree on the Ju188.

[Angus]

Ju 188 like a crazy looking Ju88...on steroids. Was a good aircraft.
The 111 would be a bit of a hangar queen in the MA I think, the Ju88 we have is simply better.
Was used launching V-1's over sea at low alt, which would be a fun twist, - but again,  then we'd need a V-1.
Was durable, and could carry quite a bit though. And the look and view ...ohhh...nice
I'd vote for it, -but then we need more of BoB'ing. Finally BoB would have the main axis bomber.

[bravoa8]

I want this. A Mistel.

[AWwrgwy]

I want this. A Mistel.

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And, it counts as two kills.

 


wrongway

[save]

Trying to do BOB without the DO17 and the HE111 shifts the scenario balance totally in favour of the Axis (ju88s)

[allaire]

We need the HE 111 zwilling.   

[Krusty]

Yes, because a plane that didn't carry any bombs, and was designed solely for the purpose of towing the largest gliders of WW2, is really what AH needs, eh?

[Die Hard]

Do 217 wasn't all that vital as a LW bomber. More often than not it was used as maritime recon, recon, and night fighter. I'm personally opposed to the He177 because it would be completely without flaws in AH, when there was better than even chance you'd burn up after takeoff in the real thing. It was a severely flawed and dangerous aircraft, with a prolonged teething period, and in AH that would be gone making it artificially far superior to the real thing.

I won't hide the fact that I want the Ju188, though. I may be biased.

The main production model, the A-5, did not have any significant vices. It was the most survivable LW bomber during the Baby Blitz with a 10% loss ratio. The other LW bombers suffered losses in excess of 60%. The He 177A-5 was also successful on the eastern front and operated almost with impunity, flying high and fast.