Tank destroyers, any thoughts?

[321BAR]

Il-2 does not need bombs. You can also give the B-25H a few AP rounds. And if the enemy has air superiority in such a way even Il-2s can't get to the tanks, it really doesn't matter anymore what's rolling in.

i meant as in air superiority stops bombers and attack runs on the GVs

[Nemisis]

BAR, they aren't as uber as you think. Honestly, 90% of my tricks involve getting in on flanks and behind them. I've taken out 2 tigers this tour (might be listed under last tour, was near the start of the month) with an M4A3(76) by circling around on their flanks, while others were trying (unsuccesfully I might add) to rush it, and get within effective range. Thats pretty good considering your notions of GV combat.

And honestly, no defense (short of CV manned ack) will stop everything. And there is JABO fighters too. I guarantee that a 1000lb bomb on top of an elephant will stop it. It will require good accuracy, but thats rarely a problem in the MA's. There is always an abundance of talent flying around.

Personally, I would be perfectly fine taking on an elephant with a panzer or an M4A3(76). Just so long as I have cover, and he isn't actively hunting me.

[321BAR]

BAR, they aren't as uber as you think. Honestly, 90% of my tricks involve getting in on flanks and behind them. I've taken out 2 tigers this tour (might be listed under last tour, was near the start of the month) with an M4A3(76) by circling around on their flanks, while others were trying (unsuccesfully I might add) to rush it, and get within effective range. Thats pretty good considering your notions of GV combat.

And honestly, no defense (short of CV manned ack) will stop everything. And there is JABO fighters too. I guarantee that a 1000lb bomb on top of an elephant will stop it. It will require good accuracy, but thats rarely a problem in the MA's. There is always an abundance of talent flying around.

Personally, I would be perfectly fine taking on an elephant with a panzer or an M4A3(76). Just so long as I have cover, and he isn't actively hunting me.

yeah and a tiger doesnt have the side armor a king tiger has... yet again also. if the defenders dont have any aircraft in the air and a mass of GVs inb it would be unstoppable if there were 3 Konigstigers and 7 pnzrs versus the defending 10-15 pnzrs if the GVers have any idea how to use tactics. Yes flanking maneuvers are crucial but out of all the times you tried to flank a tiger, how many times did he kill you? or did you just get lucky that the tigger was a noob? in my time since i restarted AH this year after a 6 month break i havent been flanked by any GVs at that distance.

[Nemisis]

Honestly, my flanking manuvers are rarely thwarted with the exception of aircraft spotting for my target. With that exception, about the only time I fail to get on my targets flank is when I do something dumb like misjudge the distance and pop out infront of him, and when he has a viz on me from spawn it, and is watching his flanks, or if he picks me out from the crowd, and watches his flanks and rear.

Its fairly easy to spot the ones who know their business if you pay attention. They're the ones who are hull down, behind good cover, and/or about even with your sides tanks, and out to one side.

[321BAR]

Honestly, my flanking manuvers are rarely thwarted with the exception of aircraft spotting for my target. With that exception, about the only time I fail to get on my targets flank is when I do something dumb like misjudge the distance and pop out infront of him, and when he has a viz on me from spawn it, and is watching his flanks, or if he picks me out from the crowd, and watches his flanks and rear.

Its fairly easy to spot the ones who know their business if you pay attention. They're the ones who are hull down, behind good cover, and/or about even with your sides tanks, and out to one side.

and i must say the one thing you didn't say was the ones who are completely oblivious to whats around them

some new tankers know their tactics as well as the vets. they just don't implement them as well. You can never know the difference between them unless you see 2-5 of your allies die in front of you in short succession from one enemy.

[Nemisis]

I sort enemies into two groups:

Deal with now
People who look like they know what to do
People in a threatening position (if he gets close, aiming won't be a big problem, even if he's a newb)

Deal with when I'm not threatened, or when he wanders infront of my sights
Everyone else



I'm like you said in aircraft:

I know ACM (pretty good anyway), I just cant implement many manuvers efficently (scissors, both rolling and flat, Split-S, and Immelmen are about all I can preform without concious thought. The rest require concious thought on my part, which creates hesitation), and I'm an average shot at best.

[321BAR]

alright. i'm done with this argument. we follow two different sets of tactics. I'll agree to disagree Nemesis. <S>


P.S. Give us the M-18.