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Offline Vudak

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Re: Thank Heaven for Squeekers and Newbies
« Reply #30 on: May 26, 2010, 02:21:01 PM »
I'm not sure why there is a debate going on here...  If a new guy asks for help, you either help him or ignore him and go about your day.  There's no need to slam him or give him false information just because some idiot once did it to you.
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Re: Thank Heaven for Squeekers and Newbies
« Reply #31 on: May 26, 2010, 05:07:01 PM »
If a new guy asks for help, you either help him or ignore him and go about your day.  There's no need to slam him or give him false information just because some idiot once did it to you.

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Re: Thank Heaven for Squeekers and Newbies
« Reply #32 on: May 26, 2010, 07:23:12 PM »
Sonic, I'm more talking about what is the response when someone is asking for help.

I'm not advocating checking every kill's score to see if they are new or not. I don't know that and I don't check that. I don't assume they need help, even when they fly poorly.

On the other hand, when someone asks, its pretty clear they are making a request for help. That's where the interaction can be helpful.
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Your screed wasnt missed by me!!!!

I am just trying to open up a much broader view point. We say ya this is how i make decisions is a good way to do it. Then we do the exact opposite when it comes to another aspect of the game. Im looking at the overall context. We can say hey its good to make decisions oneway but do another.

You dont need to look up score. If you consider yourself a helper to newcomer you can tell when you shot down "1890937" that he is a newb or the name youve never seen you know its a newb. Or the easiest is he just gets wheels up and takes no evasive action as you zoom in at 450 ias.
My point is I dont' believe HTC looses as many customers from the banter on 200. They expect it. 99% of the players here have played other online games with the same issuse. ( just so my point isnt missed I agree with you on your premise when someone askes for help lets all be more helpful ) or worse. I just believe there are other actions we do in game that make far more guys quit than the banter on 200.

I have always say "do what raises the level of play for everyone"

Its all well and good the help the new guy get his plane in the air. But then have the mentality that it is ok to abuse his lack of acm or sa is not ok with me and is part of the same package.

Example I upped last night at the first merge I was getting feedback that the guy might be really new. We went a few turns i shot him down. He had a handle ive never seen before. So I pm him ask if he is new or newer and if I can help just let me know. No response. Another con up shoot him down same guy. I could do it all night but I pm again no response so I leave the base and go to another. Ive been the new guy that wasnt comfortable with talking or asking for help on the text buffer.
I think Im saying if we want to really help we can be a bit more proactive to raise the overall level of game play.
Let the noob fight another noob to begin with the can go around 20 times haveing a hayday just to be simflying.

Raiper if I pm you and ask you to stop pickin me will you stop? Would you if the new guys asks you to stop?



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Re: Thank Heaven for Squeekers and Newbies
« Reply #33 on: May 26, 2010, 09:58:00 PM »
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Your screed wasnt missed by me!!!!

 If you consider yourself a helper to newcomer you can tell when you shot down "1890937" that he is a newb or the name youve never seen you know its a newb. Or the easiest is he just gets wheels up and takes no evasive action as you zoom in at 450 ias.

Its all well and good the help the new guy get his plane in the air. But then have the mentality that it is ok to abuse his lack of acm or sa is not ok with me and is part of the same package.

Example I upped last night at the first merge I was getting feedback that the guy might be really new. We went a few turns i shot him down. He had a handle ive never seen before. So I pm him ask if he is new or newer and if I can help just let me know. No response. Another con up shoot him down same guy. I could do it all night but I pm again no response so I leave the base and go to another. Ive been the new guy that wasnt comfortable with talking or asking for help on the text buffer.
I think Im saying if we want to really help we can be a bit more proactive to raise the overall level of game play.
Let the noob fight another noob to begin with the can go around 20 times haveing a hayday just to be simflying.

Raiper if I pm you and ask you to stop pickin me will you stop? Would you if the new guys asks you to stop?





 :rofl what happened? did you get vulched by a 450 ias plane?  maybe in your provided example, the "possibly new player" was unaware on how to reply since they are new and do not know the ins and outs of in game chat, in game text

looks as if you are taking the post a little too personal, back away from the keyboard  :rofl

I'm not sure why there is a debate going on here...  If a new guy asks for help, you either help him or ignore him and go about your day.  There's no need to slam him or give him false information just because some idiot once did it to you.

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Re: Thank Heaven for Squeekers and Newbies
« Reply #34 on: May 26, 2010, 10:13:00 PM »
You have this completely backwards, there are less companies because of the declining interest in flight sims.

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Re: Thank Heaven for Squeekers and Newbies
« Reply #35 on: May 26, 2010, 10:14:24 PM »
In your opinion why do you think folks are losing interest in flight sims. I've always enjoyed the realism of this game and really don't understand the mass appeal for games like WoW, Halo or Quake. They just seem stupid to me.
yeah me neither, I haven't really stuck at any games except for this one and warbirds. Everything else bores me to death.
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Re: Thank Heaven for Squeekers and Newbies
« Reply #36 on: May 27, 2010, 10:37:33 AM »
I can agree with how you're seeing my comment...  But let me flip it back the other way....  Your love Dale, not only for flight, but for this company you have brought up, will not decline (ie. your comments in you know you're addicted to AH when....)  And therefore it can be assumed that as the FA & Warbirds continue to sink, you'll be able to add more members here.  As such, decline can be viewed from an overall sense sure, but in the end, there will always be a need for at least 1 flight sim.  Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is be that sim!  

Taking the convo out of MMORPG and into banks.......  Lehman & Bear burned out and faded away....  Does that mean that people are less interested in investing?  In banking?  Perhaps their anxiety has increased but it won't stop investors.  

FA going down, in many respects is exactly like the banking problem.... Lehman went bankrupt but Barclays Capital picked up their proprietary property and holdings, as did JP Morgan with Bear Stearns.  WE are picking up FA players and making our game larger, more fruitful.  

I look at the "decline" as a KOTH, not an end of the flight sim world.......  WE JUST NEED TO BE ON TOP, or rather, you sir, need to keep us on top!  And I have full faith that you can, and will!   :salute


Hit ALT-F4 dude!!!   :lol


Your assumption that we will have more numbers if if WB goes down is not necessarily correct.We will pick up some customers temporally as FA closes, in reality almost every players have a limit on  how long they will play, that means we have to continually replace leaving customers with new one. As the interest shrinks so does the number of new customers every day. Or a different way of looking at it the cost of acquisition (I.E. Advertising) increase per new customer.

There is an age old saying , the last thing you wish to be is the last man standing in a shrinking market.


Your assumption that just because I love my work we will be able to survive is not necessarily correct. A simple fact is a company can not operate at a loss. My love for flight is not what makes us survive, it simply helps make choices and design decisions that most players like.

Uptown:
1. I believe that age has a lot to do with it, this is only a guess but the number of people interested in flight and specifically wwii flight declines as we get further from the war. I.E. My father was in WWII in a sub, but people much younger then me don't have that connection and hence less people are interested in WWII.

2. The competition of online games continues to grow and the PC market shrinks. When I started in this business we were about the first game on the internet. Now how many MMO games are there?

HiTech



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Re: Thank Heaven for Squeekers and Newbies
« Reply #37 on: May 27, 2010, 12:12:14 PM »
HiTech,
The is only one MMO game to my way of thinking, and this is it.  I tried some of the others and didnt like any of them.

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Re: Thank Heaven for Squeekers and Newbies
« Reply #38 on: May 27, 2010, 12:23:34 PM »
Hey!!!, are you seriously suggesting that the guys that spend there time trying to make other people feel stupid should STOP? naaaa
Some of these guys require a daily dose of flame, or they will explode.
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Re: Thank Heaven for Squeekers and Newbies
« Reply #39 on: May 27, 2010, 12:49:14 PM »
Blind Optimism I have for our future sir.
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Re: Thank Heaven for Squeekers and Newbies
« Reply #40 on: May 27, 2010, 01:07:24 PM »
I don't really think the optimism needs to be blind for a game like this.

The flight sim niche is definitely an oddity in the online gaming world.  Most other game types are just going through the motions to 'finish' them.  There is pretty much nothing stopping any person from doing everything in them other than time invested.  Not so with the simulator and FPS market.  To actually become good at a game like this versus most other games requires a level of skill and individual capability.

With most other MMO type games, you can read a guide that will tell you what to do and how to do it.  'Do this sequence of things, and you will stand the best chance of winning.' is all there is to it.  There is a 'best way' of doing things that is easily repeatable by practically anyone who can read and press buttons on a keyboard.

In a game like this, you can read In Pursuit and whatever other books and guides you like and they will give you ideas.  They will not allow you to execute on those ideas though, you need to put in the time to have the feel for the game and the SA to pull it off.  Some people will be able to pull those ideas off better than others.  You also can never have the same battle twice in a game like this.

It's a type of gaming that has become less popular in an age where games have become nearly impossible to 'lose'.   I don't really think there is any equivalent competition for this game out there.  There are plenty of other MMO games, but very very few comparably featured flight sims.  This type of game I think will continue to have its niche appeal for quite some time.

I just don't really see the core idea behind this kind of gaming evolving much over time.  WWI and WWII in particular were a time in aerial battle that will never again be duplicated.  Air forces were a new thing, people were developing the tactics that will allow the best chance of victory.  Both sides were in an arms race to develop better refined aircraft to fight with.  Both world wars were the only time ever that two relatively evenly matched air forces were facing off against one another, with the people at the controls being the major deciding factor.  Bombs were not 'smart', pilots were.

As the technology evolved the influence of the individual pilots became somewhat less.  In modern combat you can see a dot on your radar over the horizon, push a button that sends a missile to obliterate it, and fly home.  There is just not the same amount of satisfaction or gameplay to be had there as manually shooting an aircraft down within 600 yards with machine guns or cannons, or dropping dumb bombs on targets.

It's a scenario and style of game that is unique.  There is no other online gaming experience that gives the same type of gameplay as a WWI/WWII flight simulator other than a WWI/WWII flight simulator.

Now, I can see it ultimately migrating platforms to the consoles.  As long as I can hook my HOTAS, pedals and TrackIR up to my Xbox 1440 or whatever they're up to when it happens, I'm good with that.

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Re: Thank Heaven for Squeekers and Newbies
« Reply #41 on: May 27, 2010, 01:51:56 PM »
Great post Rapier!  I've been pitching in on Channel 6 and will continue to help folks like Animal14's squaddies.  As well as FA & WB folks.
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Re: Thank Heaven for Squeekers and Newbies
« Reply #42 on: May 27, 2010, 02:16:57 PM »
Your assumption that we will have more numbers if if WB goes down is not necessarily correct.We will pick up some customers temporally as FA closes, in reality almost every players have a limit on  how long they will play, that means we have to continually replace leaving customers with new one. As the interest shrinks so does the number of new customers every day. Or a different way of looking at it the cost of acquisition (I.E. Advertising) increase per new customer.

There is an age old saying , the last thing you wish to be is the last man standing in a shrinking market.


Your assumption that just because I love my work we will be able to survive is not necessarily correct. A simple fact is a company can not operate at a loss. My love for flight is not what makes us survive, it simply helps make choices and design decisions that most players like.

Uptown:
1. I believe that age has a lot to do with it, this is only a guess but the number of people interested in flight and specifically wwii flight declines as we get further from the war. I.E. My father was in WWII in a sub, but people much younger then me don't have that connection and hence less people are interested in WWII.

2. The competition of online games continues to grow and the PC market shrinks. When I started in this business we were about the first game on the internet. Now how many MMO games are there?

HiTech







I respect your candor....and although I already knew all that.....it still makes me feel like crap reading it from you.

I still advise you to make some inquiries into seeing if there are any tv producers...cable or broadcast...that may be interested in producing a segment of you guys and what you do at home base...free advertising is the best kind.
it's easier than ever to pull this off too...there's tons of channels just looking for programing ideas. 


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Re: Thank Heaven for Squeekers and Newbies
« Reply #43 on: May 27, 2010, 02:18:20 PM »
Great post Rapier!  I've been pitching in on Channel 6 and will continue to help folks like Animal14's squaddies.  As well as FA & WB folks.

good on you mate.  animal 14 is a good guy.

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Re: Thank Heaven for Squeekers and Newbies
« Reply #44 on: May 27, 2010, 02:23:00 PM »

I still advise you to make some inquiries into seeing if there are any tv producers...cable or broadcast...that may be interested in producing a segment of you guys and what you do at home base...free advertising is the best kind.
it's easier than ever to pull this off too...there's tons of channels just looking for programing ideas. 


...Program title suggestion-  'COAD'.

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