The tater chucker get nerfed?

[DrBone1]

Thanks for the update, and the fixes in works.   

Grizz i need some more tater runs in the DA with ya   

[SunBat]

See link for some explanations.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,290353.0.html

Short version no problem with 30mm, new damage system problem, plus some isolated plane problems we will search all planes for the same issue.

And to short circuit next qustion/statement/luftwhine.

Because they normally take out a component in 1 hit, hence it is very noticeable when something is wrong.


HiTech

Cool.  Thanks.  

I'm happy you and Grizz are going to stay together too.  I feel secure and will now leave the corner that I was cowering in with my teddy bear.

[gyrene81]

  Sunbat has been in the cooking sherry again. Someone lock that stuff up, it's messing with his mind.

[Karnak]

Your Mossie is fine, Hitech even said it was.

Never said otherwise.  I am talking about 30mm here primarily.  The target de jour in this thread happens to be Mossies due to the screenshots posted.

I am simply pointing things in that context.  In the screenshots posting I can see no reason why that Mosquito survived.  30mm rounds are tremendously damaging and even the WWII aircraft most resistant to them, for its size, shouldn't take nearly that many rounds to kill.

[Spikes]

Awesome!

[AWwrgwy]

If the mossie was as durable in combat as the info posted above. Why does Aces High's version fall apart instantaneously from a couple of 20mm rounds, but can take 4 30mm rounds?

Does anyone know if the same effect is for the 37mm and 40mm guns? If it is simply damage modelling and caused by the wooden frame, then the same problem should persist with the 20, 37 and 40mm cannons, correct?

Everyone is thinking in absolutes again.   

A 30mm hits.  It should destroy the aircraft every time.  No
A Mosquito survives 4 30mm hits in real life.  This happened all the time.  No
A Mosquito in game fall apart instantaneously from a couple of 20mm rounds all the time.  No

No wonder threads like this start.  I mean, it happened once.....



wrongway

[LLogann]

Most of us are better at witch hunts than we are at thinking rationally.   

Everyone is thinking in absolutes again.   

A 30mm hits.  It should destroy the aircraft every time.  No
A Mosquito survives 4 30mm hits in real life.  This happened all the time.  No
A Mosquito in game fall apart instantaneously from a couple of 20mm rounds all the time.  No

No wonder threads like this start.  I mean, it happened once.....



wrongway

[uptown]

  @ teh 109s 

[Karnak]

Everyone is thinking in absolutes again.   

A 30mm hits.  It should destroy the aircraft every time.  No
A Mosquito survives 4 30mm hits in real life.  This happened all the time.  No
A Mosquito in game fall apart instantaneously from a couple of 20mm rounds all the time.  No

No wonder threads like this start.  I mean, it happened once.....



wrongway

I certainly don't think in absolutes.  I also don't have my Mossie in AH fall about from a couple of 20mm hits, ever.

[papjohns]

Everyone is thinking in absolutes again.  

A 30mm hits.  It should destroy the aircraft every time.  No
A Mosquito survives 4 30mm hits in real life.  This happened all the time.  No
A Mosquito in game fall apart instantaneously from a couple of 20mm rounds all the time.  No

No wonder threads like this start.  I mean, it happened once.....



wrongway

A few instances are ok; but as stated previously there has been a marked increase of no-or very limited damage when tater's are impacting their target. A few times would be ok as you stated; but as of recently it's happening on a regular basis.

[AWwrgwy]

A few instances are ok; but as stated previously there has been a marked increase of no-or very limited damage when tater's are impacting their target. A few times would be ok as you stated; but as of recently it's happening on a regular basis.

What "regular basis"? 

How many Taters have you fired, in total?
How many have hit?
How many have outright killed or disabled beyond airworthiness when you hit?
How many have only damaged what you hit"
How many did nothing?

Now, multiply your results by every other Tater shooter in all the arenas every day.

I want to see some numbers.

All I've seen so far is:

From personal experience I'd say it had been about 99% in the past that a tater either killed an engine or a critical component on a standard fighter.  Now it's probably down to about 80%, where 20% of the taters are now complete duds, or taking off only a portion of the stabilizer.  I have yet to make a tater shot that takes out the entire horiz stab.

Of course, I wouldn't consider "taking off only a portion of the stabilizer" a dud, and apparently that is being addressed.

80% one shot kills isn't reasonable? 


wrongway

[Karnak]

AWwrgwy,

Enough.  HTC has already said there are a couple of bugs in the damage models of a number of aircraft.  It affects all weapons, but is more apparent on the 30mm and 37mm guns because of their tendency to get a kill with one hit.

These guys are not imagining it.

[grizz441]

All I've seen so far is:

Of course, I wouldn't consider "taking off only a portion of the stabilizer" a dud, and apparently that is being addressed.

80% one shot kills isn't reasonable?  

Not if there is a bug.  It's certainly more reasonable than your over usage of italics and bold however, I'll give you that.

The reason you haven't seen anything so far is because you haven't watched any of the films that have been posted.  Here's another chance for you:  This happened tonight, 1 of 3 duds of the night.

http://dasmuppets.com/public/Grizz/ki84 dud tater.ahf

[AWwrgwy]

Not if there is a bug. It's certainly more reasonable than your over usage of italics and bold however, I'll give you that.

The reason you haven't seen anything so far is because you haven't watched any of the films that have been posted. Here's another chance for you: This happened tonight, 1 of 3 duds of the night.

http://dasmuppets.com/public/Grizz/ki84 dud tater.ahf

(Image removed from quote.)

Reading this thread, one would infer that most Tater hits are not doing anything.  I'm just trying to hint that this isn't the actual case.

As HiTech stated, there is a damage bug.  Is it limited to damage from Taters or to aircraft irregardless of what is hitting it?

This thread is just in the same vein as the "I hit an M-3 and it didn't die" threads.  Exaggeration of a "problem". 

I've hit things with Taters that didn't outright kill it before, but a vast majority of hitting,and being hit, by Taters get the desired results.

At any rate, whine on.


wrongway
(Now with extra bold italics)

[grizz441]

This thread is just in the same vein as the "I hit an M-3 and it didn't die" threads.  Exaggeration of a "problem". 

In case you missed it, this "problem" being addressed:

Both these films showed a previously unknown problem with the target planes, not the ammo.  It's been a long standing bug (we'll look at all other planes too) that will be addressed in the next patch.

Thanks,
- Sudz

<edit> PS  The mossie had a separate, unrelated damage problem that has also been addressed.