Spit tradeoff

[lyric1]

Raptor - Current Seafire is nothing like our 'old' Cropped Vc. Now a Seafire LIII Merlin 55M would be a different matter!

Warspawn - A few Aussie Spit VIII had quad Hispanos also (neither version in any numbers to speak of)

Better than the VIII or IX - Hmmm... A Clipped, Cropped and Clapped Merlin 55M Vc. As fast as the IX low level, more manoeverable than both.

I think it was the Spit V that had the quads on it for the RAAF & it was a pig & was done away with very quickly.

[Guppy35]

Which was the spit that had the 4xHispano option?  Now THAT would be happy days, indeed, for spit pilots.


Ah, found it:   Spitfire Vc's of 2 Sqn, 7 Wing, SAAF, Sicily, had that particular armament.

It wouldn't, as the weight of the extra 2 20mm would clobber the speed and turning.  That's why those few were used for ground attack, not air combat.  There was a reason they took those extra 20s out when the Spit Vcs got to Malta.  They were struggling as it was with performance with the larger tropical filter against the 109s.  As pilots commented, if you couldn't shoot them down with 2 20mm, 4 weren't going to help anyway.

[321BAR]

WHAT?

You realize they have different engines? There wings and tail are constructed totally different as well (and I don't mean the clipped wing part).

uhh...krimm meant that the XIV is for high altitudes... he didn't mean any of the structural differences. The Griffon is great at altitude. A Spit LfMkIXE a.k.a Spit 16 with elliptical wings wouldnt do much except make the Spit VIII have .50 calibers instead of .303s and the spixteen would be even better in turning yet slower in rolls. The Spit XII would be the best option for a new spit. We'd get another Griffon engine into the Spit list. But before we get a new noob spit we'd need alot of other planes/Vehicles... want a list?
He-111
M-18s
P51A
Ki-43
More M-18s
G4M2a Bettys
Yaks-3 1 and 7
Migs
More M-18s
Panthers
Maybe some SPs
Artillery
Sheep
Vickers Wellingtons
Beaufighters
Ki-21 Sallys
B17F (for scenarios and realism)
Pe-2s
Pe-4s
Mossi XVIs or VIIIs
REMODELED planes
Sheep again
A26
don't forget Brake turning and zero turn for GVs and more sheep

[Guppy35]

I think it was the Spit V that had the quads on it for the RAAF & it was a pig & was done away with very quickly.

There are photos of one Spit VIII with the set up, apparently the CO's bird used to chase high alt Dinah recce birds.  I've not seen any Aussie 4 cannon Vc.  I think it was the Aussies that ended up hand bashing cowling panels so they could attempt to do away with the big tropical filter at one point too.

[MachFly]

uhh...krimm meant that the XIV is for high altitudes... he didn't mean any of the structural differences. The Griffon is great at altitude.

My apologies then.

A Spit LfMkIXE a.k.a Spit 16 with elliptical wings wouldnt do much except make the Spit VIII have .50 calibers instead of .303s and the spixteen would be even better in turning yet slower in rolls.

Elliptical wings would give it better overall performance at high altitude. Your comparing spit 16 to 8, but they are totally different. 16 still has that old wing that the mk9 had, while 8's wing is totally redesigned (that's why 2 fuel tanks fit in). So Spit 16 with elliptical wings would be a a Spitfire mk IX with .50cals instead of .303s and have a more powerful engine.

But before we get a new spit we'd need alot of other planes/Vehicles... want a list?

100% Agreed.

[Guppy35]

My apologies then.

Elliptical wings would give it better overall performance at high altitude. Your comparing spit 16 to 8, but they are totally different. 16 still has that old wing that the mk9 had, while 8's wing is totally redesigned (that's why 2 fuel tanks fit in). So Spit 16 with elliptical wings would be a a Spitfire mk IX with .50cals instead of .303s and have a more powerful engine.

100% Agreed.

Actually the E wing on the Spit 16 was a strengthened redesign as well.  The Spit IX wing is closer to the VIII wing in that both are Universal wings with the 2 20mm and 4 303s. 

What you probably want (don't need) is a Spit LFIXe with normal span wings and the larger rudder like the VIII and XVI.  With a Merlin 66 the performance would be better in the AH world lower down.

[Ack-Ack]

Give us our old Mk V back. Was the best spit before the addition of the VIII and XVI.  That or a Mk XII.

The old V with the incorrect boost figures?


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[Bronk]

The old V with the incorrect boost figures?


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Yup.  

[SgtPappy]

Was that the Spitfire Vc with +16 lb. boost?

Those settings are correct as were used by many Spitfire Vs later on starting in 1943, but those are also settings that are not reflective of the performance seen by most V's which were Mk.Vb's whose Merlin 45's maxed out at +12 lb. boost.

[Kev367th]

Was that the Spitfire Vc with +16 lb. boost?

Those settings are correct as were used by many Spitfire Vs later on starting in 1943, but those are also settings that are not reflective of the performance seen by most V's which were Mk.Vb's whose Merlin 45's maxed out at +12 lb. boost.

Although the Vb was the most produced Spitfire V, that doesn't tell you which of the Merlin 45 / 46 / 50 / 50A / 55 / 56 were orignally fitted or upgraded with during their life.
Bearing in mind there was only about 6-7 months between the Vb and the original Vc.

[Kazaa]

A clipped version of our old Mk. Vc would be nice!

[SmokinLoon]

The current version of the Spit16 is used as a dog-fighter regardless of its hard points.  With its super ability to turn, climb, roll, run, gun, and ability to carry 1k worth of ordnance, I think it is still under-rated and it has far too much of an impact in AH, MA or scenario.   

There are few things worse than having an aircraft meant for one thing and used completely for another.  The Spit16 is the poster child for such things.   

If there was a way to have an low altitude attack version of the Spitfire without all the fanfare as the Spit16, and the Spit LFIXE for LW use, then a lot of the issues would go away.  Im not sure which other Spitfire was used as a ground pounder.  Perhaps the Spit16 without the clipped wings?

[Karnak]

All Spitfire Mk XVI's came from the factory with clipped wings, as did LF.Mk IXes that were produced at the same time, as I understand it.

Basically, there really isn't a Spitfire that does what you are asking of it.  An early LF.Mk IXe could very well have full span wings, but that is about it and I don't think HTC wants to confuse players by having two Mk IXs.

The only Spitfires I would not mind seeing added at some point in the future, really, would be the Spitfire Mk IIa, Spitfire Mk XII and Seafire Mk III.  To satisfy the Luftwaffe fans, yes, there are also a couple Bf109s and Fw190s I'd still like to see added too.

[Bronk]

All Spitfire Mk XVI's came from the factory with clipped wings, as did LF.Mk IXes that were produced at the same time, as I understand it.

Basically, there really isn't a Spitfire that does what you are asking of it.  An early LF.Mk IXe could very well have full span wings, but that is about it and I don't think HTC wants to confuse players by having two Mk IXs.

The only Spitfires I would not mind seeing added at some point in the future, really, would be the Spitfire Mk IIa, Spitfire Mk XII and Seafire Mk III.  To satisfy the Luftwaffe fans, yes, there are also a couple Bf109s and Fw190s I'd still like to see added too.

Seafire III would be sweet

[Ack-Ack]

Perhaps the Spit16 without the clipped wings?

We basically already have that with the Spitfire Mk VIII. 

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