Combat Maneuvering

[Badboy]

lilsquid,

Here is an idea for you, if you still want to do something about combat maneuvering.

Open what ever word processor you use and copy and paste in the text and diagrams from the web.

Format it so that it looks good, and after each block of copied text include your own comments or interpretation. Make your own comments distinctive by using a different font or italics etc. Use the spell checker to clean it up, then get someone to read it for you (post it here if you like) and then make any necessary changes depending on their feedback.

Then make up a front page with an impressive title, say "Combat Maneuvering" or something you like. 

Add a note underneath that says something like "Compilation and Commentary by <your name> 

Then on the next page reference the source. (not the web page, the book) and also provide the link to the site where you got the images and text.

Even if the book had been published yesterday, that's legal under the terms of fair use, providing you only use less than one chapter for educational purposes.

When you arrive at the CAF Academy let someone know you have something you would like to share, and they may even print it out for the others.

There is a good chance they will be impressed with your effort, your research, your presentation and your desire to help.

Some of your peers may also be impressed, and your parents are sure to be proud.

Then you can feel good about the fact you have helped your buddies and done it honestly.

You might also discover that doing stuff for others can be very rewarding.

If you do something like that, don't spare the effort, the more you put in, the more you get out.

Give it a try...

Badboy

[Tarstar]

That's a friggen awesome avatar...

Sure is 

[Tarstar]

This thread has turned into something bordering on constructive... I'm impressed  

[BiPoLaR]

whatever happen to belts, switches and wooden spoons?

[froger]

I guess none have ever heard of a "Tall Tale" before............ hmm...........

everyone in the history of the world has done things that others would find to be funny, or disturbing, or well you get the point.....

the only difference is now everything is instant , back when older folks did things, even things as in this thread.... not as much attention was drawn to it for we did not have the internet and the "internet groupies" that jump on every single thread to just add to the digit count 001011110011010000011........ heh.....

people from kids to elderly people all make mistakes... the idea is to learn from them......

your apology is well accepted lilsquid dude.........

agreed sir
maybe some of the so called vets could give the kid a break so he sticks around long enough to get it.



froger

[Tarstar]

whatever happen to belts, switches and wooden spoons?

I think they all got used up on you, my friend.. 

[froger]

I prefer the graphics versions on the links. Thanks guys.  

Hey, anyone seen the "falling brick" maneuver? I'd like to know if I'm executing it properly. You know, the one where you pull too hard on the turn and you're plane falls to the ground like it's deadstick. I think I have it down pretty well but I could use some pointers.  




And lilsquid, copy and paste is still plagirism even after you toss in the spelling and grammatical errors.

<-------did the falling brick last night in a temp.
@ 1k alt the ground comes up fast 



froger

[froger]

This Forum Post goes over the "Fundamentals" of Air Combat Maneuvering (ACM). This is for any pilot who might need a little extra help with their "Moves" i should say. This is not Just  WW2 Tactics it talks about missile attacks which might come in handy in another game so you might want to read it.

The Break

This is used when an attacker is first seen or is already in the cone of vulnerability. Its purpose is twofold: to spoil the attacker's aim and to force him to overshoot. The break is always made towars the direction of attack. This generates "angle-off" as quickly as possible which makes the defender a difficult target. The attacker may be able to cut inside the turn but he is forced to pull lead. To do this he must tighten his turn, which increases his angel of attack. It is difficult for him to pull his nose around at high angels of attack to achieve a firing soultion. The defender should also alter his plane of flight to make himself a more difficult target.

Two forms of break are possible. Depending on the circumstances of the attack. The defender can use a maximum-rate sustained turn in which he does not lose speed, or the hardest possible turn in which he almost certainly does. The speed loss attendant on the turn aids his chances of forcing the attacker to overshoot, as does the smaller radius of the turn, but oftquoted maxims such as "speed is life" act as an inhibitor. If the break succeeds in forceing the attacker to overshoot, the next manoeuvre is the Scissors.

The Scissors

This is a series of turn reversals preformed with the object of forcing the overshooting attacker out in front to a position od disadvantage. The inital turn is reversed when the attacker has definitaly overshot and has drifted sufficiently wide as to prevent him from pulling back into the cone of vulnerability when the defender reverses. Timing the reversals is absolutely critical. The basic rule is that if the attacker is overshooting fast, reverse early, but if he is drifting slowly wide, take time and make sure.

Full power is used throughout the scissors but with the nose trimmed high to reduce the foward velocity vector. Airbreaks can be used to force the flythrough but if they are used too early they will advertise the defenders's intentions. The scissors may turn into a stalemate with neither side gaining the advantage. The stalmate can be broken by one fighter rolling inverted when passing through the adversary's six o'clock and diving away to gain speed before pulling back up, preferably into the sun by surprise. Scissoring for more than a couple of reversals is not recommended against an opponent who is able to turn faster and/or tighter, and it should not be attempted if there is more than one attacker, eihter. Fighter pilots recommend that unless the advantage is gained after three reversals, the pilot should, aiming to pass head-on the attacker, since this would put him at a disadvantage in having to turn back toward the defender as he runs out.

Vertical Scissor's


This is similar to the scissors, but it is carried out in either a steep climb or dive and the reversals are often carried out by executing a complete barrel roll. The ascending vertical rollingscissors places the fighters with the better zoom climb (or the higher initial energy state) at a disadvantage at first. Otherwise the fighter with the best sustained rate of climb will have the advantage. If in a desending vertical rolling scissors the defender finds himself forced bleow his adversary he should attempt to place himself directly beneath his oppenent and manoeuvre in phase with him. In this position he cannotbe seen and can pick his moment to disengage with a split S.

Split S


In this the defender rolls inverted and dives away vertically, pulling out in a direction opposite to that of his opponent.

Most defensive maneuvres are designed to counter an attack coming from astern, mainly by forcing an attacker to overshoot. What are the attacker's needs? Much depends on weather he is planning a missile or gun attack. A missile attack shouls be fast, deadly, and conclusive. But, as WW I German Cheif of Staff von Moltke observed many years ago: plans rarly surive contact with the enemy. The fighter pilot should be prepared for his attack to fail and know percisely what he will do next, either enter into a maneuvring combat.

If his attack is form head-on, much will depend on the maneuvre potential of the two opponents. The more maneuvrrable fighter will have the edge in a turning fight. (The more maneuvrable fighter at this stage is frequently the one travelling slowest rather than the one most aerodynamically capable.) If this is the attacker he should endeavor to pass wide of his opponent to give himself turning room. If there is any doubt about relative maneuvre potential he should pass close to deny his adversary turning room, then pullhigh in the turn. In either case he should pass down-Sun so that his next change od direction forces his opponent to look into the dazzle. If after a head-on pass both aircraft pull high a vertical ascending scissors may result.

A missile attack from astern is normaly made at high closing speed. If the attacker must zoom climb to dissipate his excess speed if he wishes to continue the fight, although it is easier and probally safer to disengage at this point. A gun attack should be made with am overtake speed of about 50 konts (just under 90 feet, 27m per secound). This gives time to track the target in the sight, minimises the risk of overshooting and retains an energy advantage for maneuvring combat.

The defensive maneuvres described earlier place much stress on forcing an attacker to overshoot. It is obviously important to avoid overshooting, so how is it done?

An overshoot is caused by one of two factors. The first is an excessively large angle substended between the fuselages of the respective aircraft. The secound is excessive closing speed. This is difficult for the attacker to spot until he is fairly close in. Either way the attacker is faced overshooting. His first remedy is the High-speed Yoyo

High Speed Yoyo

When the attacker realises that he is unable to stay on the inside on the defender's turn, he relaxes his angle of bank a little, then pulls high. As he comes over the top he is inverted, looking down at his opponent through the top of his canopy. His speed falls due to the climb, and this disminishews his radius of turn. The 1g of gravity is utilized by turning in the vertical plane, which reduces the raidus of turn still further. The attacker sholud the be well placed to slide down into a fireing position.

The high-speed yoyo is a very difficult maneuvre to preform well, and demands perfect timing and precise execution. If it is commenced too early, the defender can counter by pulling up into the attack. If started too late, the attacker is forced to pull up at an excessively steep angel to avoid overshooting. This allows the defender to disengage by diving away. A common fult in executing the high-speed yoyo is not pulling the nose high enough. This can result in the attacker ending dircetly above the defender. Some pilots find that they can obtain better results from a series of small yoyos than one large one. A variant on this maneuvre, used to prevent overshooting or to reduce the angle-off is the rollaway.

This is the Basics for Combat Maneuvers. I Will Have more to post Further Down The Road.

Thanks,
Lilsquid

Am i missing something here or can anyone point out where squid says that he wrote this or took credit for writing it?
at least in his original post....




froger

[WMLute]

Had he just stuck w/ the 1st post this thread woulda been moved by Skuzzy to Help/Training.

It was his second post, after it was pointed out he is just cut/pasting other peoples stuff, that he wrote the following.

No no, My source has been copy righted by me =D Wrote this for the Commemorative Air Force Academies. So work cited = me

[froger]

Had he just stuck w/ the 1st post this thread woulda been moved by Skuzzy to Help/Training.

It was his second post, after it was pointed out he is just cut/pasting other peoples stuff, that he wrote the following.

 

[AAJagerX]

lilsquid,

Here is an idea for you, if you still want to do something about combat maneuvering.

Open what ever word processor you use and copy and paste in the text and diagrams from the web.

Format it so that it looks good, and after each block of copied text include your own comments or interpretation. Make your own comments distinctive by using a different font or italics etc. Use the spell checker to clean it up, then get someone to read it for you (post it here if you like) and then make any necessary changes depending on their feedback.

Then make up a front page with an impressive title, say "Combat Maneuvering" or something you like. 

Add a note underneath that says something like "Compilation and Commentary by <your name> 

Then on the next page reference the source. (not the web page, the book) and also provide the link to the site where you got the images and text.

Even if the book had been published yesterday, that's legal under the terms of fair use, providing you only use less than one chapter for educational purposes.

When you arrive at the CAF Academy let someone know you have something you would like to share, and they may even print it out for the others.

There is a good chance they will be impressed with your effort, your research, your presentation and your desire to help.

Some of your peers may also be impressed, and your parents are sure to be proud.

Then you can feel good about the fact you have helped your buddies and done it honestly.

You might also discover that doing stuff for others can be very rewarding.

If you do something like that, don't spare the effort, the more you put in, the more you get out.

Give it a try...

Badboy

Good call.  Relevant and constructive.   

[hlbly]

Guys he is young , he desperately wants to fit in . Everyone who has never done something stupid to impress people he looks up to , please continue to flame away . If you have , remember how you felt when caught .  Lilsquid you want me to whomp you with a knotted plow line ? <plagerised from outlaw josey whales> . Come on lil brother consolidate yer feces you are better then this .





P.S I love you man !



Badz great advice sir . The only kind I have ever seen you give .

[TnDep]

lilsquid is a good guy, this doesn't change my opinion of this young gent!  He's passionate about the game at such a young age and not a bad stick either.  I bet he'd beat 70% of the pilots in Aces High now - I wish you the best my friend 

[Jayhawk]

Am i missing something here or can anyone point out where squid says that he wrote this or took credit for writing it?
at least in his original post....

No no, My source has been copy righted by me =D Wrote this for the Commemorative Air Force Academies. So work cited = me

It wasn't in his OP, but I found his OP implied it and so I found it on a site and asked him to cite his source.  Then he responded with what I've quoted, it has since been exposed and the kid has apologized so no need to dwell on this anymore.

[froger]

It wasn't in his OP, but I found his OP implied it and so I found it on a site and asked him to cite his source.  Then he responded with what I've quoted, it has since been exposed and the kid has apologized so no need to dwell on this anymore.