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Offline FALCONWING

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Re: I don't get it
« Reply #135 on: June 28, 2010, 10:19:59 PM »
All very true, and I agree.  Yet some of you are holding a Trainer to a different standard when he says something you find offensive.  "Hey, you're a trainer, you shouldn't be saying things like that!"

If everyone is given the same respect, everyone should be given the same leeway.  You guys are trying to enforce a double standard on Ghosth.  I'm kind of surprised by that.

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Once again my friend...no one is holding ghosth to a double standard.  The ONLY reason the term trainer even came into play was BECAUSE Ghosth raised it at the same time he implied some form of reprisal because of Lulu's so-called insult was directed AT an AH trainer.  I still am at a loss as to what the original perceived insult was...

I am sure Ghosth made a mistake but lets not now act as if this had something to do with folks "attacking" an AH trainer simply because they were a trainer.  I don't think it helps that almost everyone seeming to back Ghosth is staff or friends of staff.  It perpetuates the perception that staff/trainers are beyond reproach when they err.   :salute
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Re: I don't get it
« Reply #136 on: June 28, 2010, 10:41:40 PM »
Whatever dude.

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Re: I don't get it
« Reply #137 on: June 29, 2010, 09:02:32 AM »
edit: deleted. Isn't worth my time.
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Re: I don't get it
« Reply #138 on: June 29, 2010, 09:10:47 AM »
It perpetuates the perception that staff/trainers are beyond reproach when they err.   :salute

Ask BadBoy.  We are all treated equal here  :rofl
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Re: I don't get it
« Reply #139 on: June 29, 2010, 09:21:12 AM »
Hitech can't force good game-play, nor does this community enforce itself.
I try with my threads and get bashed by all sorts of players, but there bashing only feeds my quest for all out drama in Aces High :rolleyes:
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Re: I don't get it
« Reply #140 on: June 29, 2010, 08:31:51 PM »
lmao, Gosth is Canadian! Before my serious health problems, and a motorcycle accident. I was involved with banking, commercial land, and resort development in San Carlos, Sonora, Mexico. I worked for the founder and only developer, he owns all the land in San Carlos. I was also one of the very first Americans to offer residential financing via American investors/banks to foreigners in Mexico.

In the mid 2000's the Canadian market was doing extremely well and the exchange rate for Canadian dollars was 2 to 1 in comparison to US dollars for converting pesos. Canadians got twice as many pesos for their dollar than what you would get for a US dollar. We had a flood of Canadians. At first their business and desire to develop resorts/condos was welcome. But after about a year. We would no longer sell commercial properties to Canadians, and some Americans. Canadians were even more ignorant and arrogant then the Americans! Every Canadian project that did get started, failed. They shot themselves in the foot with their attitude, no one wanted to do business with them. Those who rise fast, fall the hardest.

Now back to AH!

The old timers will remember the articles about submarines in AH. Those articles and advertising increased the client base. I remember seeing ranking numbers over six thousand. Currently I see high scores in the upper four thousand range. That implies that there are some were around five thousand current subscribers. Why after all these years are there less subscribers? There are substantially more internet subscribers than there was over five years ago in the US, and Internationally, a much larger increase. Yet the number of AH subscribers has apparently declined. This brings to question what is causing this. Every other popular online game has had an increase of subscribers over the last five years. Granted AH is more of a niche game, never the less subscription has declined.

I have already mentioned that when in game, when someone uses a language other than English, immediately that person is told English only this is an American game. With people like Gosth making comments to learn to use English sentences correctly or repercussions will happen. Such comments certainly cause non-Americans to cancel their subscriptions, or not stay around after the 2 week trial. Who would put up with attacks simply because English is not your first language?

Games like WOW have grown to 11 millions subscribers. 5.5 million are from China, 2.5 million from north America, 2 million from Europe, yes I know that only adds up to 10 million, but those are the numbers that have been released, the other million are probably from many other countries.

Fact is, the US only comprises of less than 10% of the total world potential client base. AH only offers everything in English, while every other game comes in multiple languages. Surprising that AH does not solicit the largest population base. Given the allowance of attacks on non-English speakers. Shows that AH is not following a good business practice.

One of the mantra's in AH is, it is only a game. Yet, first and foremost it is a business. Everyone wants more planes, more arenas, more options. The players in a sense own a little piece of the AH business. They pay their subscriptions, they help new players, make suggestions, argue their point, A LOT. Progress has been moving along over the years slowly. Many planes still have the original cockpits, twelve years or longer and still not updated, that is slower than a snails pace.

The apparent current player base is so small that revenue is barely enough to keep AH running. If there was more revenue more people could be hired and progress rate improved. Who is at fault for this, HiTechCreations, or the players?  Both are at fault.

With every new player there is an opportunity for a substantial increase in the player base. You never know who they are, their family, their friends. To us older folks, the kid now days are speed demons at networking. Facebook, twitter, personal websites, blogs, family business websites, etc.

Some one from another country may have access to millions of people. If they are treated improperly, they are going to tell every one do not give money to HiTechCreations because they are a bunch of jerk, arrogant, Americans AND Canadians! Instead of telling everyone how great AH is and that they should give it a try.

You math guys, can do the math. One person gets one friend each month to subscribe to AH. Each one of those new subscribers gets one friend each month to subscribe, and on and on.  Granted AH is not for everyone. But I am sure there is a much larger base of subscribers out there than is currently subscribing. The current numbers clearly point out that something is wrong.

Numerous features and rules have been implemented to reduce the level of player vs. player abuse. The fact that these changes were implemented shows that there is a problem.

The best way to build the subscriber base is through the current players. There should be ten to twenty thousand subscribers, when the increase of internet users from all over the world are taken into account. Why are the non-Americans staying away? Yes I know there are numerous people from numerous countries, but the great majority of those speak english.

I believe that one of if not the primary problem is attitude. The reason why I have been pointing out attitude so much. Business owners, professionals, large corporate entities, spend lots of money employing psychiatrist and psychologist to provide classes and critique on how to improve interaction with clients. Everyone has heard stuff like he is a natural born salesman, he is a natural fighter pilot! While in fact, every good business owner has taken much time and expense and effort to em-better their people skills. Most people do not realize how they actually come across to people, common etiquette stops people from always being truthful about their personal opinion. Tell a women when they come home from the beauty parlor, that the hairdo looks crappy! What you think is funny, may offend some one else, even when you are both native speakers of the same language. Business owners learn that they lose clients because they say things, or use mannerisms, that offend a percentage of their potential client base. No one can get all the business, but anyone can get a percentage of the business, depending on your people skills, you will get a large percentage a small percentage, or go out of business. Like the Canadians in San Carlos.

Point is, the players need to take a good look at themselves, because they are directly responsible for the small player base. Read all the posts about people quiting. Fact is, in business people who complain or even verbally abuse, will stay around with proper handling, those who say nothing and walk out the door will never be back, and believe me they will tell everyone about their bad experience. Only HiTechCreations knows what those actual numbers are.

There are lots of players that display very good people skills. But there are consistently a number that do nothing but offend people. Usually these same offensive people are the ones stirring things up the most. I want this, I want that, I want people to play my way. Instead of moving things in a better direction they are diverting things towards a declining condition that eventually only damages every aspect of AH. If people leave and do not pay a subscription, AH does not have the revenue to move forwards. These agitators are actually building roadblocks to achieving what they claim they want.

When new players start up, they follow existing players to learn the game. They will play the game in the way they are taught, they will also acquire the same attitude, good or bad.
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Re: I don't get it
« Reply #141 on: June 29, 2010, 08:32:24 PM »
Continued:

The other day, I received a PM from a player, not happy with my ACM, he lost. I started a discussion with him to see why he said what he said. His current k/d ratio was .3 something. While talking to him he said he had improved greatly. He had earlier had  15 deaths for every 1 kill. Earlier in this thread there was mention about NOE attacks on a particular Sunday. This go me thinking. The complaint/whining was that large groups were attacking undefended air fields and would not fight. Well who in there right mind would keep fighting a fight that they lost 15 times to every win? The very people who were crying their opponents will not sit still and let me kill them the way they want to kill them, were the actual cause of why the conditions changed.

A lot of players really need to take a look at how they are playing the game, and what affects their attitude are having on changing the conditions. It appears that the people complaining the loudest, are the exact ones that are producing the conditions that they are complaining about. Now the question comes up, are they doing this because they do not really understand that their actions cause reactions, or do they know exactly what they are doing, and are simply mad because players wised up to their game. I bet those guys that had been getting killed 15 times for every kill. When they started taking bases and saw that the guy's that were killing them started getting mad, ranting and raving on 200. Reveled in their new discovery. They could finally get back at the guy's that had been taking advantage of them. I bet those guys taking the bases had a good laugh, they probably needed it after the frustrations of getting killed 15 times in a row, over and over again.

Fact is players are far more responsible for what happens in game, then they care to admit, or realize. Everyone should sit back and take a good long look at what is it they really want. Some claim the changes they want are for the good of all players, is that really so? I think to many want changes because their gig is up, the conditions changed in a way that their method of playing no longer works. That type of change is a part of about every aspect of life. I suppose there will always be people that do not have what it takes to work for what they want, they want it handed to them on a silver platter, these are also the same people who boast the most, and cry the most when they do not get what they want.

For AH to progress, the player base needs to also progress. One will not survive without the other. I think Hitech's decision to implement such a dramatic change in dar after all these years, shows that something is up. Hitech may have ultimate control over the game, but it is really and truly up to the player base as to the progression of the game. If the players really want all the plane sets, all the different arenas, new war periods. They better make some changes themselves, players are responsible for growing the subscription base increasing revenue so that Hitech can hire and purchase all the things necessa
The other day, I received a PM from a player, not happy with my ACM, he lost. I started a discussion with him to see why he said what he said. His current k/d ratio was .3 something. While talking to him he said he had improved greatly. He had earlier had  15 deaths for every 1 kill. Earlier in this thread there was mention about NOE attacks on a particular Sunday. This go me thinking. The complaint/whining was that large groups were attacking undefended air fields and would not fight. Well who in there right mind would keep fighting a fight that they lost 15 times to every win? The very people who were crying their opponents will not sit still and let me kill them the way they want to kill them, were the actual cause of why the conditions changed.

A lot of players really need to take a look at how they are playing the game, and what affects their attitude are having on changing the conditions. It appears that the people complaining the loudest, are the exact ones that are producing the conditions that they are complaining about. Now the question comes up, are they doing this because they do not really understand that their actions cause reactions, or do they know exactly what they are doing, and are simply mad because players wised up to their game. I bet those guys that had been getting killed 15 times for every kill. When they started taking bases and saw that the guy's that were killing them started getting mad, ranting and raving on 200. Reveled in their new discovery. They could finally get back at the guy's that had been taking advantage of them. I bet those guys taking the bases had a good laugh, they probably needed it after the frustrations of getting killed 15 times in a row, over and over again.

Fact is players are far more responsible for what happens in game, then they care to admit, or realize. Everyone should sit back and take a good long look at what is it they really want. Some claim the changes they want are for the good of all players, is that really so? I think to many want changes because their gig is up, the conditions changed in a way that their method of playing no longer works. That type of change is a part of about every aspect of life. I suppose there will always be people that do not have what it takes to work for what they want, they want it handed to them on a silver platter, these are also the same people who boast the most, and cry the most when they do not get what they want.

For AH to progress, the player base needs to also progress. One will not survive without the other. I think Hitech's decision to implement such a dramatic change in dar after all these years, shows that something is up. Hitech may have ultimate control over the game, but it is really and truly up to the player base as to the progression of the game. If the players really want all the plane sets, all the different arenas, new war periods. They better make some changes themselves, players are responsible for growing the subscription base increasing revenue so that Hitech can hire and purchase all the things necessary to grow the business.

Comments like Gosth's are doing nothing but decreasing the player base. If he was involved in my business, whether as a volunteer, intern, or a paid employee, he would be out the door so fast, the knob would not have a chance to hit him in the backside.

Concerning non-English players. Perhaps some of the existing players who speak other languages could come up with some suggestions as to how to start helping out non-English players. Having a forum for non-English speakers may be a good start. I believe that HiTechCreations is losing substantial revenue by not attending to the non-English speakers which comprise of more than 90% of the world.

Vulgarry to grow the business.

Comments like Gosth's are doing nothing but decreasing the player base. If he was involved in my business, whether as a volunteer, intern, or a paid employee, he would be out the door so fast, the knob would not have a chance to hit him in the backside. Respect is earned, not demanded.

Concerning non-English players. Perhaps some of the existing players who speak other languages could come up with some suggestions as to how to start helping out non-English players. Having a forum for non-English speakers may be a good start. I believe that HiTechCreations is losing substantial revenue by not attending to the non-English speakers which comprise of more than 90% of the world.

Vulgar
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Re: I don't get it
« Reply #142 on: June 29, 2010, 08:57:21 PM »
Continued:
Comments like Gosth's are doing nothing but decreasing the player base. If he was involved in my business, whether as a volunteer, intern, or a paid employee, he would be out the door so fast, the knob would not have a chance to hit him in the backside.

How you run your business is up to you, but if you had any true understanding of how many players have stayed in this game due to Ghosth's help you'd be a fool to get rid of him.

BTW since you seem to know him so well, you do know he's not Canadian right? I'm glad to see you didn't bring any bias to your rant or bother to check your facts.

As for facts, I'm glad you brought up HTC's business model and current lack of revenue to hire more developers. I guess Dale and Doug were just BS'ing us at the CON, about the business model and how HTC was founded on the idea of a very small company that wouldn't just expand as fast as possible. So I'm glad your not running HTC because I seriously doubt that your large corporation approach would work. But I suppose you could ask EA about their experience as the large game development corporation?

 
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Re: I don't get it
« Reply #143 on: June 29, 2010, 09:06:28 PM »
I do believe Vulgar has just set a record for the longest and most straw men malarkey on this bbs.

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Re: I don't get it
« Reply #144 on: June 29, 2010, 09:12:20 PM »
I do believe Vulgar has just set a record for the longest and most straw men malarkey on this bbs.

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« Reply #145 on: June 29, 2010, 09:22:19 PM »
The first two paragraphs pretty much told me the rest of his novel would be horsechit so I didn't waste my time going on.
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« Reply #146 on: June 29, 2010, 09:36:36 PM »
. The complaint/whining was that large groups were attacking undefended air fields and would not fight. Well who in there right mind would keep fighting a fight that they lost 15 times to every win? The very people who were crying their opponents will not sit still and let me kill them the way they want to kill them, were the actual cause of why the conditions changed.

A lot of players really need to take a look at how they are playing the game, and what affects their attitude are having on changing the conditions. It appears that the people complaining the loudest, are the exact ones that are producing the conditions that they are complaining about. Now the question comes up, are they doing this because they do not really understand that their actions cause reactions, or do they know exactly what they are doing, and are simply mad because players wised up to their game. I bet those guys that had been getting killed 15 times for every kill. When they started taking bases and saw that the guy's that were killing them started getting mad, ranting and raving on 200. Reveled in their new discovery. They could finally get back at the guy's that had been taking advantage of them. I bet those guys taking the bases had a good laugh, they probably needed it after the frustrations of getting killed 15 times in a row, over and over again.


No. The guys organizing mass NOE raids, and able to keep them rolling for 2 hours, are none of that kind. They are not K/D 0.06 guys - those do the kind of missions you see with all planes all fuel 75% ;)

And just for the record, there had always been a huge gap in terms of skill and success (K/D), it's not something that is a recent development. Even many years ago, the majority of players was cannon fodder for the relatively few "aces": http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,264394.0.html
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Re: I don't get it
« Reply #147 on: June 30, 2010, 12:38:54 AM »
frogs are people too

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Re: I don't get it
« Reply #148 on: June 30, 2010, 12:44:36 AM »
I don't like the new radar settings...They seem unrealistic...

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« Reply #149 on: June 30, 2010, 02:48:44 AM »



You need to remember that when you post comments on a forum, you're basing your opinion on here. Whether you like it or not poses for some debate. That is why we have forums. You either agree, disagree or even stand neutral on topic.

People get pretty heated in game and on the BBS. Seeing the big picture, puts things into perspective. The game is just a game. It is a very difficult game which why I'm so addicted to it. I have good days to where I can land fun sorties, talk to buds and use the game for what I intended it to do, provide me with some escape from the normal everyday life.
 I also have bad days. Sometimes I cant get my wheels off the ground or spend 10 minutes climbing to a fight where I get whacked not even firing a shot. It happens and if it happens too much, I can just log off, and say tomorrow is another day.
Just because you may think that customer #s have decreased, stayed stagnant or whatever is due to the fact that we have an American, Canadian or whatever is a load of bull. (remember this is my opinion). Many potential customers just found that this wasn't their game, cant afford it, don't have a CC or whatever. Bottom line is that every month, you are going to ask yourself, is this game worth $15 a month or not.
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