Author Topic: Time for the Spitfire Mk.XII.  (Read 2451 times)

Offline RTHolmes

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8260
Re: Time for the Spitfire Mk.XII.
« Reply #45 on: July 10, 2010, 02:24:02 PM »
blah blah blah

your style of argument might work at your local bar, wont wash with me though. thanks for your contribution anyway :)
71 (Eagle) Squadron

What most of us want to do is simply shoot stuff and look good doing it - Chilli

Offline Bronk

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 9044
Re: Time for the Spitfire Mk.XII.
« Reply #46 on: July 10, 2010, 02:34:03 PM »
:neener:  LMAO Bronk.

I'll rephrase, there are too many spitdweebs in AH as it is no need to feed them with more easy mode flying poopsticks.  :D
Then blame the pilot not the plane.
If an ac meets the AH criteria there is no reason for it to not be included.
See Rule #4

Offline Tupac

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5056
Re: Time for the Spitfire Mk.XII.
« Reply #47 on: July 10, 2010, 02:39:25 PM »
Then blame the pilot not the plane.
If an ac meets the AH criteria there is no reason for it to not be included.

Aren't you against the b29 though?
"It was once believed that an infinite number of monkeys, typing on an infinite number of keyboards, would eventually reproduce the works of Shakespeare. However, with the advent of Internet messageboards we now know this is not the case."

Offline Bronk

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 9044
Re: Time for the Spitfire Mk.XII.
« Reply #48 on: July 10, 2010, 02:51:48 PM »
Aren't you against the b29 though?

No, I am against it to be immediately included though.
See Rule #4

Offline Tupac

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5056
Re: Time for the Spitfire Mk.XII.
« Reply #49 on: July 10, 2010, 03:19:39 PM »
No, I am against it to be immediately included though.

Oh, carry on then.
"It was once believed that an infinite number of monkeys, typing on an infinite number of keyboards, would eventually reproduce the works of Shakespeare. However, with the advent of Internet messageboards we now know this is not the case."

Offline oakranger

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8380
      • http://www.slybirds.com/
Re: Time for the Spitfire Mk.XII.
« Reply #50 on: July 10, 2010, 11:48:37 PM »
hey I'm very aware of the massive contribution the US made to defeating the Axis, as are the vast majority of yurpeans. there does seem to be a large contingent of americans who really do think the war started in dec '41 and the US won it on their own though. its just fun breakin their balls as I believe you chaps say :D

That is one of the biggest argument of WWII, "When did it started".  Personally, it all depends what country you are that enter into it or was invaded.  I got into a big argument on who defeated Germany, U.S./U.K. or Russians.  I simply got technical on that question.  U.S. and U.K. defeated Germany in the air, sea, Africa, Sicily, Italy and France.  Russia just defeated them in the eastern front. 
Oaktree

56th Fighter group

Offline Guppy35

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 20385
Re: Time for the Spitfire Mk.XII.
« Reply #51 on: July 11, 2010, 12:35:42 AM »
Strange, I could have sworn the 109 and Hurricane were introduced in 1937, Spitfire and P-36 1938 and the P-40 in 1939...not years of difference there. High performance fighters weren't necessary until the U.S. was dragged into the war, at which time the industrial machine developed such "cheap" aircraft as the P-40, F-4U, P-47, P-38, P-51, B-17 and B-24, none of which used wood or fabric in their airframes unlike the Spitfire, Hurricane and Mosquito. And, I guess you could consider low production numbers of 13,000 P-40s with only 9 operational variants, 16,000 P-51s with only 4 operational variants, 16,000 P-47s with only 6 operational variants and 10,000 P-38s with only 7 operational variants, all produced in shorter time periods from concept to retirement, to be low production numbers compared to 20,000 Spitfires with more than 25 operational variants produced over a 10 year span. Didn't realize the U.S. was the only country using assembly line production, that would account for the aircraft manufacturing facilities in Britain, Russia, Germany and Japan.



There are enough Spitfires in AH.

Just want to clarify.  As an example.  How many P47 operational variants?  I count 1 B model, 4 C models,  24 different D models, 2 G models, 1 M model, 4 N models.  That totals 35 production model P47s.

And the first production Jugs rolled off the line 5 years after the first Spit.  BTW it was an all metal aircraft.  No wood in the production

Based on your description of production models, the Spit list would be the I/II as the II was built in a different factory then the I, similar to the P51B vs C.  The Spit V, the Spit VI, VII VIII, IX/XVI and XII, XIV and 21.

So that's 9 production variants vs your 6 P47s and the Spit was in service 5 years prior to the Jug. 
Dan/CorkyJr
8th FS "Headhunters

Offline oakranger

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8380
      • http://www.slybirds.com/
Re: Time for the Spitfire Mk.XII.
« Reply #52 on: July 11, 2010, 01:34:57 AM »
Just want to clarify.  As an example.  How many P47 operational variants?  I count 1 B model, 4 C models,  24 different D models, 2 G models, 1 M model, 4 N models.  That totals 35 production model P47s.

And the first production Jugs rolled off the line 5 years after the first Spit.  BTW it was an all metal aircraft.  No wood in the production

Based on your description of production models, the Spit list would be the I/II as the II was built in a different factory then the I, similar to the P51B vs C.  The Spit V, the Spit VI, VII VIII, IX/XVI and XII, XIV and 21.

So that's 9 production variants vs your 6 P47s and the Spit was in service 5 years prior to the Jug. 

Hold on her.  Lets just drop it with the spits and give us a dam Beaufighter!  Am I right?
Oaktree

56th Fighter group

Offline Tupac

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5056
Re: Time for the Spitfire Mk.XII.
« Reply #53 on: July 11, 2010, 01:44:43 AM »
That is one of the biggest argument of WWII, "When did it started".  Personally, it all depends what country you are that enter into it or was invaded.  I got into a big argument on who defeated Germany, U.S./U.K. or Russians.  I simply got technical on that question.  U.S. and U.K. defeated Germany in the air, sea, Africa, Sicily, Italy and France.  Russia just defeated them in the eastern front. 

however russia killed alot more germans than we did.
"It was once believed that an infinite number of monkeys, typing on an infinite number of keyboards, would eventually reproduce the works of Shakespeare. However, with the advent of Internet messageboards we now know this is not the case."

Offline Tupac

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5056
Re: Time for the Spitfire Mk.XII.
« Reply #54 on: July 11, 2010, 01:55:16 AM »
I can think of 10 planes that we DONT HAVE that need to come in before the spit. Spitfires made a HUGE contribution to the war, but do we really need another version before we get the Pe-2, Tu-2, and the He111? I think you guys can make do with what you have.

Oh, and the B29  :noid
"It was once believed that an infinite number of monkeys, typing on an infinite number of keyboards, would eventually reproduce the works of Shakespeare. However, with the advent of Internet messageboards we now know this is not the case."

Offline Guppy35

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 20385
Re: Time for the Spitfire Mk.XII.
« Reply #55 on: July 11, 2010, 02:25:24 AM »
Hold on her.  Lets just drop it with the spits and give us a dam Beaufighter!  Am I right?

Without question :)

Just to be clear.  I love the XII.  I spent from 1980 on researching the XII and it's pilots and got to know lots of them.  Those are my guys.  I'd love to have it in AH cause it's personal.  Those guys were my friends

That being said, there are other birds that should get into AH first, including the Beaufighter.

As for the Spits.  I'd love it if they updated the Seafire to the Seafire III.  I'd also like the IX to be an LFIX.  And if I'm really wanting something done, I'd wished for a clipped Spitfire Vb and a Tropical Spitfire Vc to cover the MTO birds and the Aussies

Throw in the Oscar, and the Betty and maybe even a Dinah and we'd have fleshed out the PTO quite a bit.
Dan/CorkyJr
8th FS "Headhunters

Offline oakranger

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8380
      • http://www.slybirds.com/
Re: Time for the Spitfire Mk.XII.
« Reply #56 on: July 11, 2010, 02:29:43 AM »
however russia killed alot more germans than we did.

Of course they did as Germany and Russian been fighting over a year before U.S. started fighting.  Not only that, Germany had well over 1.5 million men on Russian soil for over a year and a half.

I can think of 10 planes that we DONT HAVE that need to come in before the spit. Spitfires made a HUGE contribution to the war, but do we really need another version before we get the Pe-2, Tu-2, and the He111? I think you guys can make do with what you have.

Oh, and the B29  :noid

well, it is like i said before on this threat.  AH need to add more Russian, IJ and Italian AC and introduce French AC too.  Oh, and add He-111 and B-29.
Oaktree

56th Fighter group

Offline oakranger

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8380
      • http://www.slybirds.com/
Re: Time for the Spitfire Mk.XII.
« Reply #57 on: July 11, 2010, 02:32:48 AM »
Without question :)

Just to be clear.  I love the XII.  I spent from 1980 on researching the XII and it's pilots and got to know lots of them.  Those are my guys.  I'd love to have it in AH cause it's personal.  Those guys were my friends

That being said, there are other birds that should get into AH first, including the Beaufighter.

As for the Spits.  I'd love it if they updated the Seafire to the Seafire III.  I'd also like the IX to be an LFIX.  And if I'm really wanting something done, I'd wished for a clipped Spitfire Vb and a Tropical Spitfire Vc to cover the MTO birds and the Aussies

Throw in the Oscar, and the Betty and maybe even a Dinah and we'd have fleshed out the PTO quite a bit.

Sorry for my arrogant on the spits. how similar is the seafire to seafire II, IX to be LFIX? Could AH get change a few thing like what they did with the P-47M?
Oaktree

56th Fighter group

Offline Guppy35

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 20385
Re: Time for the Spitfire Mk.XII.
« Reply #58 on: July 11, 2010, 02:43:22 AM »
LFIX would mean using the same engine and performance as in the VIII we have.

Kev is the Seafire III guy but it's safe to say the LIII Seafire was one that filled a larger role then the one we have.

The Spitfire Vb we have is the earliest of the Vb.  A clipped, cropped and clapped spitfire Vb with the engine optimized for low alt would be fun.  The Tropical Spitfire Vc would cover North Africa, Malta, Tunisia, Italy and Australia and the CBI very well.
Dan/CorkyJr
8th FS "Headhunters

Offline oakranger

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8380
      • http://www.slybirds.com/
Re: Time for the Spitfire Mk.XII.
« Reply #59 on: July 11, 2010, 02:50:31 AM »
LFIX would mean using the same engine and performance as in the VIII we have.

So, we would not need a LFIX since there is no difference? It would be like asking for the P-51K where it the exactly the same as the "D" except the prop is 2 inch shorter.  


Kev is the Seafire III guy but it's safe to say the LIII Seafire was one that filled a larger role then the one we have.

The Spitfire Vb we have is the earliest of the Vb.  A clipped, cropped and clapped spitfire Vb with the engine optimized for low alt would be fun.  The Tropical Spitfire Vc would cover North Africa, Malta, Tunisia, Italy and Australia and the CBI very well.

SO, all Hitech has to do is change the engin preformace from Vb to Vc?  If that is the case and surely easy to make the changes, yes bring it on

« Last Edit: July 11, 2010, 02:52:09 AM by oakranger »
Oaktree

56th Fighter group