ENY value

[JunkyII]

Ok, looking at your list.

P-51D = 8
F4U-A1 = 15
P47-D25 = 25
190-D9 = 15
109-K4 = 20
La-7 = 5

Of those 5 planes, which would you say is the easiest to learn to fly and get kills in, and be able to RTB?
My money would be on the La7, which puts it exactly where it should be, low.

Other end of the spectrum, you have the P47-D25 which is a much harder plane to go out and get those kills in and be able to RTB. Hence ENY of 25.  Your going to earn perks 5 times faster in a P47-d25 as you will in an La7.
Why? Because its that much harder to do.

Personally I think the 109K4 is set too high, that thing is a monster.
So to rearrange your list in ENY order.
La-7 = 5
P-51D = 8
F4U-A1 = 15
190-D9 = 15
P47-D25 = 25

Would you really say that the 190D9 is as easy to fly and get kills in as the P51 or la7?
Or is the list stacked in terms of difficulty (and possibly partially popularity)

only reason why I think the k4 is good where its at is because of its most dangerous and hardest to use weapon.....the 30. It is the best weapon for a scissor fight but shooting it at an aware enemy you are bnzing is hard to get used to. Also even with those short snapshots...if you miss more then likely that guy now has position.

[oakranger]

Ok, looking at your list.

P-51D = 8
F4U-A1 = 15
P47-D25 = 25
190-D9 = 15
109-K4 = 20
La-7 = 5

Of those 5 planes, which would you say is the easiest to learn to fly and get kills in, and be able to RTB?
My money would be on the La7, which puts it exactly where it should be, low.

Other end of the spectrum, you have the P47-D25 which is a much harder plane to go out and get those kills in and be able to RTB. Hence ENY of 25.  Your going to earn perks 5 times faster in a P47-d25 as you will in an La7.
Why? Because its that much harder to do.

Personally I think the 109K4 is set too high, that thing is a monster.
So to rearrange your list in ENY order.
La-7 = 5
P-51D = 8
F4U-A1 = 15
190-D9 = 15
P47-D25 = 25

Would you really say that the 190D9 is as easy to fly and get kills in as the P51 or la7?
Or is the list stacked in terms of difficulty (and possibly partially popularity)

Well, i look at it as to "do you know how to fly it correctly".  Example, a lot of people knows i fly the p-47D-25.  I do take it at high alt and used the BnZ and know how to keep that E.  I avoid turn fights because i know that it will slow me down fast and put me in a disadvantage of getting out do to the slow acceleration.  The D-25 is not like the "M" where is can take on a lot of the tight turns.

La-7, i do not fly them and never flew them.  all i do know about them is that they are superior below 7-8k.  Why a ENY of 5 where its preformaces drops as it get higher, i do not know. 

109K-4 is seriously over looked.  A ENY of 20 is to high thous should be brought down to below 10.  The only disadvantage with the 109 is fire power limitation put deadly if you know how to aim with it.
 
F4U-1A seems to be the most flown corsair.  Can turn well, good gun packet age, climes exceptional, acceleration better then the P-51.  The only disadvantage i see is keeping slow and low will be easy to take out. 

190D-9, well personally, it is easy to fly and get kills.  is it easy to fly like the spit, no.  To get kills, yes far better then the p-51 and La-7 as long as you know how to fly it.  That gose the same for the P-51.

So this is where the ENY should look like from my view:
109K-4 = 8-10
La-7 = 15
P-51D = 8
F4U-A1 = 15
190-D9 = 10
P47-D25 = 25


But like i have been asking, what dose it take for these AC to get that ENY value? 
 

[JunkyII]

K4 has no ord.....the rides that can carry 2K bombs need to have an eny of 10 or lower before the K4 ever does

[oakranger]

K4 has no ord.....the rides that can carry 2K bombs need to have an eny of 10 or lower before the K4 ever does

262 or 163 dose not, nor spit XIV.

So, i guess you are saying that the P-47N, D 25 and 40 should have a ENY of 10 or less?

[JunkyII]

262 or 163 dose not, nor spit XIV.

So, i guess you are saying that the P-47N, D 25 and 40 should have a ENY of 10 or less?

Spit 14 should not be perked...at all.
to lose a 163 or 262 you need to mess up or have to fly it to the edge...which is how you see people like Grizz fly it.

I didnt think about Jugs before my last statement, they have horrible climb but I wouldnt have the D40 be any higher then 20 with the 25 having no more then 25 eny.

The difference between a K4 and an F6F.....

K4 fast climber and a great dogfighter if used right...and deadly if you know the 30mm...good sticks in it can knock out anywhere from 4(shooting alot of buffs) to maybe 9 planes with the tator.

F6F Tough bird(takes alot of damage) can be used from CVs, great dogfighter if used right, can carry 2 1000 pound bombs and 6 rockets(enough to kill a vh, good junk of town, ords/troops on small airfield/v-base) has 6 M2s......maybe the best gun in game depending on who you talk to.  With proper shooting by a good F6F stick you can easily match 9 kills.....I think my best in it was 10 when I flew it for a tour.

So which plane is better for the battlefield........you cant tell me the K4.

[save]

we should have different ENY depending on equipment , (like 30mm on 109g6), GM-1 on 190a8 , or 75mm cannon on sdkfz 251

[caldera]

Well, i look at it as to "do you know how to fly it correctly".  Example, a lot of people knows i fly the p-47D-25.  I do take it at high alt and used the BnZ and know how to keep that E.  I avoid turn fights because i know that it will slow me down fast and put me in a disadvantage of getting out do to the slow acceleration.  The D-25 is not like the "M" where is can take on a lot of the tight turns.

La-7, i do not fly them and never flew them.  all i do know about them is that they are superior below 7-8k.  Why a ENY of 5 where its preformaces drops as it get higher, i do not know. 

109K-4 is seriously over looked.  A ENY of 20 is to high thous should be brought down to below 10.  The only disadvantage with the 109 is fire power limitation put deadly if you know how to aim with it.
 
F4U-1A seems to be the most flown corsair.  Can turn well, good gun packet age, climes exceptional, acceleration better then the P-51.  The only disadvantage i see is keeping slow and low will be easy to take out. 

190D-9, well personally, it is easy to fly and get kills.  is it easy to fly like the spit, no.  To get kills, yes far better then the p-51 and La-7 as long as you know how to fly it.  That gose the same for the P-51.

So this is where the ENY should look like from my view:
109K-4 = 8-10
La-7 = 15
P-51D = 8
F4U-A1 = 15
190-D9 = 10
P47-D25 = 25


But like i have been asking, what dose it take for these AC to get that ENY value? 
 

109-K4 = 15
La7 = 8
P-51D = 5
F4U-1A = 12
190-D9 = 10
Spit XVI = 5
Spit XIV = 10
Ki-84 = 15

Wirblewind = 5 

[JunkyII]

109-K4 = 15
La7 = 8
P-51D = 5
F4U-1A = 12
190-D9 = 10
Spit XVI = 5
Spit XIV = 10
Ki-84 = 15

Wirblewind = 5 

See Im surprised nobody ever hates on this one plane which can dogfight KI84s, F6F, Hogs, 109s and other spits but its eny is 20

Spit 9 is by far one of the most badarse dogfighters in the game but I think most of the commuity doesnt know about it. For the short range below 10K fights we have in the MA....spit 9 is up there at the top of the list for deadly aircraft.


GVs should have a seperate perk system IMO

[oakranger]

See Im surprised nobody ever hates on this one plane which can dogfight KI84s, F6F, Hogs, 109s and other spits but its eny is 20

Spit 9 is by far one of the most badarse dogfighters in the game but I think most of the commuity doesnt know about it. For the short range below 10K fights we have in the MA....spit 9 is up there at the top of the list for deadly aircraft.


GVs should have a seperate perk system IMO

Yes, spit 9 is a deadly AC to fight.  As for the WW, not even worth 5 ENY value.  To easy to take out it's guns just by strafing. 

[grizz441]

GVs should have a seperate perk system IMO

What do you mean?

[oakranger]

Spit 14 should not be perked...at all.
to lose a 163 or 262 you need to mess up or have to fly it to the edge...which is how you see people like Grizz fly it.

I didnt think about Jugs before my last statement, they have horrible climb but I wouldnt have the D40 be any higher then 20 with the 25 having no more then 25 eny.

The difference between a K4 and an F6F.....

K4 fast climber and a great dogfighter if used right...and deadly if you know the 30mm...good sticks in it can knock out anywhere from 4(shooting alot of buffs) to maybe 9 planes with the tator.

F6F Tough bird(takes alot of damage) can be used from CVs, great dogfighter if used right, can carry 2 1000 pound bombs and 6 rockets(enough to kill a vh, good junk of town, ords/troops on small airfield/v-base) has 6 M2s......maybe the best gun in game depending on who you talk to.  With proper shooting by a good F6F stick you can easily match 9 kills.....I think my best in it was 10 when I flew it for a tour.

So which plane is better for the battlefield........you cant tell me the K4.

This is what i have been asking right from the beginning.  How does a AC get its ENY value.  Is it speed, gun package, handing?  What?!

[Ghosth]

All of the above, plus how often its "seen" what its kill % is, etc.

Your never going to know exactly how.

ENY are what they are, accept it.

[Wiley]

It makes much more sense to me now.  I couldn't figure out some of the values, but if popularity is a factor that makes more sense.  To me there's a few planes that seemed to perform better than their high ENY.

Interesting thought process on different bomb loadouts available vs a pure dogfighting plane affecting its ENY.  I don't know whether it should be a factor or not, as I think most of the thought behind ENY is looking mostly at fighter vs fighter combat.

Wiley.

[The Fugitive]

This is what i have been asking right from the beginning.  How does a AC get its ENY value.  Is it speed, gun package, handing?  What?!

What everyone is trying to say is NOBODY KNOWS !  It is information that HTC has decide they WILL NOT RELEASE. So all of the answers you get are speculation, wishes, dreams, and so on.