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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #120 on: August 01, 2010, 12:28:02 AM »
See Rule #4 (do not do that again, you know better)
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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #121 on: August 01, 2010, 12:39:05 AM »
Everyone speaks to their own experiences.  It sounds like his experiences with the P22 have been poor plus the P99 issue he mentioned (though I know nothing about this issue).  My P22 has had a hiccup or two but is overall very reliable.  I seriously considered buying a PPS when searching for a CC gun and may get on in the future.  I disagree with his view but can't blame him for having it.
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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #122 on: August 01, 2010, 02:54:33 PM »
Just a heads up, Ive seen a lot of comments about Sigs here, I myself own 4 ( P239 P228 P229 P225 ) and they are excellent guns. (that is an understatement )

One that i didnt see mentioned here is the P225 9mm. Its a great conceal carry gun, and a single stack mag, for those with smaller hands. Just a thought i wanted to share.

Of all my handguns ( sans my Wilson Combat 45 and my Kimber Pro Carry) they are by far my favorite.
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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #123 on: August 01, 2010, 03:43:20 PM »
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Gman... you're shoving in a lot of opinions with out taking into account the differences between those personal opinion of yours and factual information.
Be a bit more careful when you're claiming what is reliable and what isnt.  Bubba or the "ex Navy SEAL" are mostly full of watermelon and blow nothing but smoke.

Walther is among the most reputable, reliable, and respected firearms companies in the world.  

Uh..how so?  My opinions ARE factual information, based on what I've seen on a daily and yearly basis with said pistols at MY places of employment, not what some moron wannabe has cracked off about or what I've read in some retarded magazine article by Massad Aboob or whoever.

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Six years of work at this range, 6 days a week, prior to going to work for a pivate military company. There is at least 100 shooters per day going through this facility, as shooting/owning a handgun in Canada isn't a right like it is in the USA, and the range is extremely busy in comparison to american places.  Just from new rental shooters I've seen 5000+ rounds per day go downrage from every type of combat pistol you've every heard of.  We are the largest importer of Winchester pistol ammo in the country, and the ONLY ammo going through our rental guns in 9, 40, and 45 is white box winchester, so the failures can't be blamed on overpressurized reloads.   Some pistols on the rental rack get 1000+ put through them in a single day.  For ANY polymer framed/steel slide pistol to be on the rack for 2 months in a row without a major failure is almost unheard of.  Also, being a major repair center for the Beretta's in country, every 92F in the 2000's that had a slide crack failure, or more commenly the locking lugs shear off (at least 100+ pistols), including every 92F rental gun,  I'm not terribly fond of them either, even being a non polymer pistol.

I respect and agree with what you've said Loon, and take you at your word, why not take me at mine?  You've stated your experience before with pistol shooting, all I've done is the same.

I can gladly show you the RMA's to various manufacturers if you doubt my claims.  As I did state, I'm hestitant to offer opinion on reliability because it always turns into this.  As for Walther, why don't you do some research yourself.  As I said, EVERY single range pistol we have fails at some point, and EVERY walther in 9mm has failed, in almost every case the extractor/ejector assembly which is a square little unit, and this is prior to the 1000 round mark in every case.  Montreal City is the only Police or unit I know of that has these pistols in quantity.  They'll be switching soon, go ahead and look up some stats or call their range master and see what he says if you don't take me at my word.  Maybe you are talking about Walther rifles, as their pistols are complete garbage, and nearly everyone I know that has anything to do with shooting agrees.  In fact, Monreal's order is the largest Walther has ever had for their P99 in North America.  One city, and it's in Quebec.  I think that speaks for itself.

AND, as I stated, it's the user, not the pistol that realy matters.  I have nothing against any of the pistols I've talked about, and even the worst pistol in the world is better than the next best option.  

As for Karaya's comments, I believe calling somebody names is cause for a suspension, is it not?  I'll gladly throw down my credentials if you require it. The movie Shadow Company is currently playing often on various TV networks.  A large portion of it is of my company doing CQB training for PSD employees of ours.  I'm the big bald instructor.  I'm a Range Master, Pistol instructor (Sigarms Academy), Rifle Instructor (Diemaco/Colt Canada), plus have trained a large number of people in the private security field during the last 6 years, in addition to working on a range instructing others for nearly my entire adult life.

Last thing I heard from you, you carry your HK pistol cocked and locked in your holster, so be careful who you call names when you live in a glass house.


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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #124 on: August 01, 2010, 03:52:44 PM »
More ego-laden drivel

I don't carry anything cocked and locked.   You're a Sig Fanboi and Terror is the Glock Fanboi.   I don't live in a glass house sonny.
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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #125 on: August 01, 2010, 04:05:57 PM »
March 06 2010, "New handgun" thread.

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I like my HK because I can SAFELY carry it "cocked and locked".  

So you do or you don't because that is what you posted.

Also, as I stated previously, we are issued Glock 19's at work with extemely effective ammunition, but other than that, I'm a 1911 shooter, and have been for 20 years.  I'm not especially partial to Sig, I just happened to get most of my training and certifications from SigArms academy, mainly because I wanted to be trained by Bank Miller, who ran the FBI's weapons training for years before moving on to the Air Marshall program, than SigArms and action target.  In fact, my OPINION is that the 226 has horrible ergonomics and grip angle for my size of hands, and I don't shoot them as well as nearly anything else, but again, that is MY opinion of how it works FOR ME, which is my constant point....

I'm no Sig Fanboi, get what fits YOU and works BEST for you, and don't worry about the reliability unless you plan on shooting 500 rounds per week.

I'll be coming to the next Dayton thing with my Kom Nowt squaddies, I'll be happy to go to the range with you on my dime and go over some things next year.
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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #126 on: August 01, 2010, 04:57:49 PM »
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One that i didnt see mentioned here is the P225 9mm. Its a great conceal carry gun, and a single stack mag, for those with smaller hands. Just a thought i wanted to share.

Strongly agree, these are excellent pistols, the Military Police, and some of our Fighter pilots carry these in Canada.  The first Sig armourers course I took the rep from Sig brought these little P225's and everyone in the class was trying to talk him into leaving them, as they are very rare in Canada being less than 106mm barrels, which makes them a Prohib for importation here.

One pistol you see here in Canada which has many of the P225's virtues but is over 106mm and not widely seen in the USA is the SIG P220 in 9mm, which is a 9 round single stack pistol.  Very similar to the P225, but with a bit more 1911ish grip angle, and it has the Sig P220 trigger, which for some reason is about 2x as narrow as the P225/228/226/229/etc triggers, and gives you more precise fire control (IMO).  These can be found here with standard and heel release magazine catches, for around 600$ new.  One of the better bangs for the $ out there.  My shop was the Canadian distributor for Sig pistols through most of the 2000's and the P225 and P220 were the little known diamonds in the rough we sold hundreds of.
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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #127 on: August 01, 2010, 09:18:17 PM »

Go to your local gun club and see if there is a few you can try out then if you like it buy it but only Buy 4-6 round's :lol
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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #128 on: August 01, 2010, 09:55:31 PM »
Browning High-Power. Small frame compared to a beretta, and incredibly reliable. I have never had mine stovepipe or jam, but with that in mind if reliability is a big issue go with a revolver.

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