Tanks rounds shooting down aircraft.

[Beefcake]

This is probably mostly due to noone took level bombers over a carrier because 1)hard to find, even if general area is know, but I'm guessing its primarily because of 2)CAP over the carriers... If people flew CAP over their carriers this wouldnt happen (in game, that is) which means you'd need something faster, more maneuverable to get in and get bombs/torpedos off.

They did it several times at Midway, but the B17's failed to score hits.

The reason people hit the CVs in AH so easily is because most buff pilots have had 6 or more years to refine their skills.

[Ack-Ack]

This is probably mostly due to noone took level bombers over a carrier because 1)hard to find, even if general area is know, but I'm guessing its primarily because of 2)CAP over the carriers... If people flew CAP over their carriers this wouldnt happen (in game, that is) which means you'd need something faster, more maneuverable to get in and get bombs/torpedos off.

B-17s were used to bomb the Japanese at Midway.  Zero hits.

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[Nemisis]

There is a very simple solution to your problem.  Bring along a couple of flak panzies for AA protection or better yet, ask some squadron mates to fly a CAP over the battlefield to intercept the bombers. 

ack-ack

Ack-Ack, the problem is that AA isn't 100% effective (look at the murderous CV ack. I managed to get through it in a Golly-geen B5N after 6 tries or so.) and neither is a CAP with just a few people in it. The second problem is that the enraged tankers will just bring fighters instead of slow, wallowing bombers. I've even seen a guy use a temp for the sole purpose of bombing tanks; As soon as he dropped, he dove for the deck and ran like hell.


You laugh at me for what you deem oversimplifications and then come out with that crap?

[lyric1]

They did it several times at Midway, but the B17's failed to score hits.

The reason people hit the CVs in AH so easily is because most buff pilots have had 6 or more years to refine their skills.

Exactly right if no one was to tell you how much to lead a moving target in AHII how many of us flat & level could hit a CV in game with just only the game instructions as a reference? Now throw in real life bomb sites of the day & no possible knowledge as to how exactly to do it, it really is no surprise it never happened in real life.

[Ack-Ack]

Ack-Ack, the problem is that AA isn't 100% effective (look at the murderous CV ack. I managed to get through it in a sweet potato B5N after 6 tries or so.)

Hate to burst your bubble squeaker but AA wasn't 100% effective in real life either.  So your point is moot.

and neither is a CAP with just a few people in it.

Depends on the tactics used by the CAP.  A CAP as little as one person can be effective, it really does depend on the skill level and tactics used by the ones flying the DEFCAP.  I can understand when you fly CAP that it isn't effective but that's because of your skill level.

The second problem is that the enraged tankers will just bring fighters instead of slow, wallowing bombers. I've even seen a guy use a temp for the sole purpose of bombing tanks; As soon as he dropped, he dove for the deck and ran like hell.

What does this have to do with using mobile AA assets to protect the attacking tanks?  Nothing.

You laugh at me for what you deem oversimplifications and then come out with that crap?

You and the other tools are crying about having your tanks attacked by aircraft, if you want to stop it, bring along AA assets.  It really is that simple.  Hell, I would have thought that it was so simple that even someone with a simplistic mind such as yours would be able to grasp its simplicity.  I guess I was wrong.

Have you ever thought why attacking armored forces include mobile AA assets that move along with the attacking force and often have a DEFCAP flying over head?  Why do you think it should be any different in Aces High?


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[Ack-Ack]

Exactly right if no one was to tell you how much to lead a moving target in AHII how many of us flat & level could hit a CV in game with just only the game instructions as a reference? Now throw in real life bomb sites of the day & no possible knowledge as to how exactly to do it, it really is no surprise it never happened in real life.

I think the concession was made in the sake for game play with how easy it is to sink a CV or any other ship in AH level bombing at any altitude compared to how it was in real life.

ack-ack

[Ack-Ack]

They did it several times at Midway, but the B17's failed to score hits.

The reason people hit the CVs in AH so easily is because most buff pilots have had 6 or more years to refine their skills.

For further evidence on how difficult it was to hit a ship with a level bomber, look at the successes.  In all the cases, more ordnance was wasted than what hit the ships and if the bomber did score a hit, it was usually a single bomb.  In the attacks that were successful, I don't think any of the bombs that hit caused extensive damages to the ships other than causing casualties.

When HMS Repulse was attacked by 25 Nell bombers dropping 1,100 and 550 pound bombs, only one hit Repulse in the hanger deck area but did little damage.  When HMS Prince of Wales was attacked by another large force of bombers, the bombs straddled Prince of Wales with only one hitting and not being able to penetrate the armored deck but caused a lot of casualties amongst the wounded that were laid on out on the deck.  Nell and Betty torpedo bombers were the ones that did the most damage to both ships that resulted in their demise.

Here is a photo of HMS Prince of Wales and Repulse under bomb attack by Nell bombers.

HMS Prince of Wales is the ship at the top of the picture and HMS Repulse is the ship at the bottom.  You can see the bombs from one of the Nell bombers straddle the aft section of Repulse and the dark smoke is the impact of the only bomb of all those dropped that hit Repulse.

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[Nemisis]

Hate to burst your bubble squeaker but AA wasn't 100% effective in real life either.  So your point is moot.

My point is that AA doesn't stop bomb****s. If they aren't type that would get jumpy when a tiger starts shooting at their tank, its an annoyance at best. My point is hardly moot when you are saying that AA is good solution to pissed off tankers going out on a bombing run.

Depends on the tactics used by the CAP.  A CAP as little as one person can be effective, it really does depend on the skill level and tactics used by the ones flying the DEFCAP.

I'm willing to bet that 1 good pilot in a 190D would be hard pressed to stop 4 or 5 bomb laiden P-38's flown by average pilots.

What does this have to do with using mobile AA assets to protect the attacking tanks?  Nothing

Well first off, fighters make a much smaller and faster target than a lancaster, and they are capable of diving at steeper angles, wich AA gunners seem to have a hard time hitting. But I was using this as an argument against your 3 person CAP, since they put up more of a fight than a B-25 or an Il-2.

You and the other tools are crying about having your tanks attacked by aircraft, if you want to stop it, bring along AA assets.  It really is that simple.  Hell, I would have thought that it was so simple that even someone with a simplistic mind such as yours would be able to grasp its simplicity.  I guess I was wrong.

Have you ever thought why attacking armored forces include mobile AA assets that move along with the attacking force and often have a DEFCAP flying over head?  Why do you think it should be any different in Aces High?

You clearly don't spend much time in GV's do you. If you drove tanks much, you would know that wirbs, osities, and M16's are a deterent at best. Once the bomb****s make the calculation, and decide its worth the risk, no AA defense can stop 5 P-38's diving in at 350mph at a 90degree angle. A CAP may do better, but its still not guaranteed to stop them.

[Ack-Ack]

What is your solution then?  Whine about being bombed by bombers because you're too friggin' lazy and inept to bring along assets to defend yourself and the other tankers?

You clearly don't spend much time in GV's do you. If you drove tanks much, you would know that wirbs, osities, and M16's are a deterent at best. Once the bombers make the calculation, and decide its worth the risk, no AA defense can stop 5 P-38's diving in at 350mph at a 90degree angle. A CAP may do better, but its still not guaranteed to stop them.

I have more time in GVs in the years I've been playing this game then you'll ever have.

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[Chalenge]

Nevertheless he is correct in that a determined opponent willing to sacrifice himself in order to lay bombs on a fixed immoveable object will nearly always succeed. It requires a great amount of experience to setup a proper intercept and not much effort at all to defeat the intercept and hit the target anyway. Its not much different for a moveable and evasive carrier. Hit or miss as they say. 

[DeViouS1]

so youre saying that being on a game for 6 years aiming weaponry like that all the time wont give you any amount of skill devious? im sorry but MANY people in the game can kill at distances over 1k. stop flaming me because you cant aim a gun on a GV. you apparently know everything huh? how long have you played this because under devious i only have you listed for two tours.

Bar, if you'd spend more time reading my previous posts instead of looking for a fight you'd see I agreed with you....

The second is that YES, it was a lucky shot! There is no formula to shooting down planes at far distances. Although you can get a tad more accurate over time the main deciding factor is luck

You obviously had enough time to look up my record.. huh??  And my old names or records are of no concern to you anyway... that's how you spend your free time?? Go for a walk, It's a beeeeautiful day outside..  Now move on to your next Bashing...... er I mean post.... 

[321BAR]

Bar, if you'd spend more time reading my previous posts instead of looking for a fight you'd see I agreed with you....  You obviously had enough time to look up my record.. huh??   And my old names or records are of no concern to you anyway... that's how you spend your free time?? Go for a walk, It's a beeeeautiful day outside..   Now move on to your next Bashing...... er I mean post....  

yeah. agreed..right. second i'm pretty sure that you've been bashing me every second you get the chance to in game and out of it. 3rd, if i miss my OWN squad's squad night because i was out with my friends partying i'm pretty sure you have nothing on me... 4th grow up

edit: 5th. stop flaming me. especially when you know you responded sarcastically to me so why wouldnt i be pissed at it?

[stodd]

Always funny when you blast a plane while its in flight. A couple times ive aimed up into the air and fired from several K out in boredom thinking no way it will hit, then following the round as the plane flys to it...BOOM! 

[lyric1]

Always funny when you blast a plane while its in flight. A couple times ive aimed up into the air and fired from several K out in boredom thinking no way it will hit, then following the round as the plane flys to it...BOOM! 

Have to admit it is funny when ones self is doing the shooting in this circumstance.

[Megalodon]

And what do you propose to do about it?  If the tank turrets traverse at the proper speeds, have guns that elevate at the proper speeds, have the proper rates of fire, proper muzzle velocities and the rounds lose energy at the proper rates, what then?

Yes, it is gamey, but it is gamey because it is a game and people master things that people in reality had no chance to master.  Live with it.

We can't have planes in the game that didn't see action, we cant have skins in the game that weren't used. But we can have 262's that fly around like zekes and tanks that shoot planes. its stupid! A Flak panzer can fire a hundred rounds and not hit a thing, BUT yes a Tank can hit a plane with 1 round and it never happened at all. so much for historical accuracy.

What should they do about it? Fix It! Simple! Hell why not make the 8" guns on the ship hit planes in one shot as well?