Research of the Spit 16

[gyrene81]

The Spit16 and 14 really are dweeb planes. Everytime I see <insert name> landed 2 kills in a Spitfire MkXVI in the text buffer I have to LOL.

Not that I don't disagree with you Thrash, but the Ta-152 has less of a combat record and lower production numbers than the Spixteen and it's in the game. Doesn't mean we shouldn't all kick Karnak in the testes either for suggesting it in the first place, and then pointing out the fact 5 years later. 

[jamdive]

We'd like to think our logic might have had some influence on Pyro's thinking in designating it the LFXVI.  We've of course apologized many times now because of silly threads like this.  Had HTC named it the LFIXe, there would probably never have been this nashing of teeth that  goes on with the XVI.

Again we apologize Pyro

Had HTC named it LFIXe it still wouldn't be the same plane. the LF is part of the prefix that designates its altitude role. The fan blades on the superchargers where cropped (LF) in order to give the engine more horsepower at lower altitudes. I haven't found the FXVI variant of the IX with this feature, yet. There are also HFIX, HFIXe and PRIX variants. The PR was for photo recon to my understanding. All have different performances at different altitudes. The (e) suffix just means that it had 50 cals instead of 303.
In reading the FXVI operators manual, the fuel capacities vary and also there is the addition of aft fuel tanks with a 75 gal capacity. The engine cowlings are different also due to the us. built merlin intercooler which gave it different flight characteristics. More interesting facts are that dogfighting or any non-suttle maneuvers with ordanace or extra fuel tanks would damage the aircraft and is recommended that they be jettisoned prior to any combat (for spit IX,XI,and XVI).

[CAP1]

Fail.


They only call it a spit16 in-game to differentiate it from the SpitIX we already have.

Calling it a SpitLFIXe gets a bit complicated.

It's identical to a later spit9 with clipped wings.

In fact it's also nearly identical in performance to the Spit8.


And, also in fact the criteria for KILLS isn't so much important for a GROUND attack plane, no? Many (most?) spit16s were tasked to ground attack, hence the rockets.

I'll be the first to decry them for being a UFO, but don't knock the plane's history. Just focus on how it is in this game (it IS just a game, you know) rather than the real war.

the only spits i've flown, have been the 5, 9, 14, 16, and the seafire. i can't for the life of me make the 16 do what i see others doing in it.

[CAP1]

Fail.


They only call it a spit16 in-game to differentiate it from the SpitIX we already have.

Calling it a SpitLFIXe gets a bit complicated.

It's identical to a later spit9 with clipped wings.

In fact it's also nearly identical in performance to the Spit8.


And, also in fact the criteria for KILLS isn't so much important for a GROUND attack plane, no? Many (most?) spit16s were tasked to ground attack, hence the rockets.

I'll be the first to decry them for being a UFO, but don't knock the plane's history. Just focus on how it is in this game (it IS just a game, you know) rather than the real war.

yikes.....crapcast going wonky.

[RTHolmes]

Had HTC named it LFIXe it still wouldn't be the same plane.

same plane, different engine manufacturer. they even came off the exact same line at castle bromwich initially. I havent seen anyone come up with any definitive differences yet between the 66 and 266 apart from the factory they came out of.

[jamdive]

same plane, different engine manufacturer. they even came off the exact same line at castle bromwich initially. I havent seen anyone come up with any definitive differences yet between the 66 and 266 apart from the factory they came out of.

No, they came from the same factory, they where built on adjacent lines. I also stated the differences in the engines which requiered different engine cowlings.

[RTHolmes]

same line initially, like I said. later on 2 separate lines as production increased.

you explained the supercharger difference between a low-alt optimised engine and a med-alt optimised engine. 66 and 266 both low-alt optimised, same design. what specifically are the differences between the 66 and the 266 (apart from manufacturer)? I'm going to need part #s, specifications, dimensions, and references to be convinced theres any real difference here ...

[jamdive]

The way they mounted the inter-coolers required a different engine cowling. As far as the engine block ive found no difference.

[THRASH99]

sure delete the XVI, then replace it with a clipped LF IX.

Imagine a XVI with 4x .303s instead of the 2x .50s. then go fly it in MW ...

Is that what you really want?

Well....I'm not a spitfire pilot, so I really wouldn't care what happened to it unless it was some super upgrade put in that I've never even heard about, then I'd be curious. What my question is, is why is the XIV perked with the lack of manuverablity that the XVI has? It has the same loadout, about the same speed without WEP, and both climb crazy too. I just want to know, with all the pilots flying spixteens in the MA and it's such a favorite plane taken "everyday" by people who somehow "really need it" just to fight, why isn't the XVI perked?  

[RTHolmes]

well if its about perking the XVI, sure why not. of course you'd have to perk the D pony as well, and probably the LA7, Niki, M&N jugs and maybe a couple others too. wonder how that would effect business, not allowing new, mostly US players to fly the D pony ...

thats why the XVI isnt perked. so why is the XIV perked? good question ...

[Ack-Ack]

I just want to know, with all the pilots flying spixteens in the MA and it's such a favorite plane taken "everyday" by people who somehow "really need it" just to fight, why isn't the XVI perked?  

The notion that people take a Spitfire (any model) just because they "really need it just to fight" is coming from someone that has had their tulips handed back to them repeatedly by someone in a Spitfire.  What makes someone flying a Spitfire any less skilled than you are?  Looking at your stats, you're not very good in any plane you fly.  How about instead of trying to get planes you can't fight against removed from the game, you instead learn how to fly and fight?

ack-ack

[gyrene81]

The notion that people take a Spitfire (any model) just because they "really need it just to fight" is coming from someone that has had their tulips handed back to them repeatedly by someone in a Spitfire.  What makes someone flying a Spitfire any less skilled than you are?  Looking at your stats, you're not very good in any plane you fly.  How about instead of trying to get planes you can't fight against removed from the game, you instead learn how to fly and fight?

ack-ack

Uh, that's not exactly correct either Ack-Ack. It's not easy to get the upper hand on a single Spixteen when you're flying a 30+ ENY plane, let alone the numbers that one can find in any base attack. I've seen some really hinky stuff from Spixteen dweebs that should not be happening.

[THRASH99]

The notion that people take a Spitfire (any model) just because they "really need it just to fight" is coming from someone that has had their tulips handed back to them repeatedly by someone in a Spitfire.  What makes someone flying a Spitfire any less skilled than you are?  Looking at your stats, you're not very good in any plane you fly.  How about instead of trying to get planes you can't fight against removed from the game, you instead learn how to fly and fight?

ack-ack

1) because I fly pony and don't need to fly spits just to get back at someone, 2) Pony actually takes somewhat skill to fly in a dogfight unlike spixteen where you barely have to pull at all, and 3) I actually fly alot of fighters ack, I'm not a person sitting in a P-38 like you all day. Maybe you should try flying some other fighters for once and see where that gets you. Most of my deaths on the stupid stat list is cause by a load of gang bangers who can't only have 1 or 2 people after me, they have to make it a 10v1. That's obviously saying something that your that big of a threat to everyone and they really need you dead that fast.

[Oldman731]

Maybe you should try flying some other fighters for once and see where that gets you.

Heh.  Ack-ack has flown the other fighters, probably all of them.  He's quite talented in each.  While I'll never understand why he hasn't become bored flying one plane so much, don't mistake his obsession for lack of skill.

- oldman

[Lusche]

2) Pony actually takes somewhat skill to fly in a dogfight unlike spixteen where you barely have to pull at all, and

The notion that it takes no skill to be successful in the Spit 16 is as wrong as the one that it does take "more skill" in a P-51 to get kills.