Dar bar updates

[Krusty]

The reason they don't show on the dar yet is because there's a long delay. Anything you see is like looking into the past.

Next time you see a plane with no dar bar, look at the map and see in the immediate sectors around you which one has a bar. That's where the plane was some minutes ago. He flew into your sector in less time than it takes the dar to update his position on the map. It's consistent, just a bloody slow delay. You can also see this in effect with dot dar. You can follow a guy on visual range and see his dot elsewhere (where he used to be) as you follow him.

It's just a delayed printout of where all the radar pictures were "X" minutes ago.

[Lusche]

The reason they don't show on the dar yet is because there's a long delay. Anything you see is like looking into the past.

Next time you see a plane with no dar bar, look at the map and see in the immediate sectors around you which one has a bar. That's where the plane was some minutes ago. You can also see this in effect with dot dar. You can follow a guy on visual range and see his dot elsewhere (where he used to be) as you follow him.

It's just a delayed printout of where all the radar pictures were "X" minutes ago.

Thank you, Captain Obvious.

And please go back and read my message again, particularly the word "consistency". Also I did not read any release notes about the addition of a huge, and seemingly random, darbar delay.

[321BAR]

And yes, that's the bug,  particularly as it's not consistent at all. On some days planes make darbar a few moments after they break 500, but I have run into 4 Spit's at 15k(!) with no darbar in sector

HTC said that there was a timed delay that lengthens the farther away from a radar tower you are. this would include dar bar IIRC and stretches the map

[Lusche]

HTC said that there was a timed delay that lengthens the farther away from a radar tower you are.

Which radar tower? I'm speaking of the sector I'm in, and that had never been a problem. Of course there had always been a delay (kill an enemy and see how long it takes for the darbar to disappear), and for most part is still the same.
But that's the point: "For the most part". Occasionally it is totally off, see the examples described earlier. And it only happens recently. Unless there is a statement "Random & rare darbar delays have been added", it's a bug

[JunkyII]

TonyJoey(the father) said he saw my dar when intercepting him pop 30 seconds before I appeared at 18k above the bombers he was escorting. He almost accused me of cheating but I explained how I have been having problems with the darbar as well not popping up or having a small darbar for 10+ planes....

[Bruv119]

HTC said that there was a timed delay that lengthens the farther away from a radar tower you are. this would include dar bar IIRC and stretches the map

you got a link for that info 321 bar?  this is what Pyro announced

"We're using some new radar settings for the main arenas.

The radar deck has been lowered to 65 feet above ground
level and will require challenging nap of the earth
flying to stay below radar.

Tower based radar range has been increased to 20 miles.
You can view the radar distances right clicking on the
clipboard map and selecting Radar from the display
settings menu."

[Bruv119]

The reason they don't show on the dar yet is because there's a long delay. Anything you see is like looking into the past.

Next time you see a plane with no dar bar, look at the map and see in the immediate sectors around you which one has a bar. That's where the plane was some minutes ago. He flew into your sector in less time than it takes the dar to update his position on the map. It's consistent, just a bloody slow delay. You can also see this in effect with dot dar. You can follow a guy on visual range and see his dot elsewhere (where he used to be) as you follow him.

It's just a delayed printout of where all the radar pictures were "X" minutes ago.

it is an arena setting that we haven't had clarification on.

with the extended dar bar it is only fair that the attackers see that there are planes up because the defenders can basically track them from take off.

needs to be put back the way it was IMO

[321BAR]

you got a link for that info 321 bar?  this is what Pyro announced

"We're using some new radar settings for the main arenas.

The radar deck has been lowered to 65 feet above ground
level and will require challenging nap of the earth
flying to stay below radar.

Tower based radar range has been increased to 20 miles.
You can view the radar distances right clicking on the
clipboard map and selecting Radar from the display
settings menu."

i admit i dont remember where i had read this. but from viewing the map. the closer you are the faster the dot shows a movement... you can see this

[Lusche]

i admit i dont remember where i had read this. but from viewing the map. the closer you are the faster the dot shows a movement... you can see this

This is a different thing what we are talking about. Of course the rate of update for the dots depends on distance to you - always has been, nothing new, nothing changed.
And of course there always was a small delay in updating darbars, but that never was a distance thing. And it's still the same - just sometimes (It may occur on some maps only) there are suddenly cons in the sector at high altitudes that never made  a darbar. This is happening irregularly.

[321BAR]

This is a different thing what we are talking about. Of course the rate of update for the dots depends on distance to you - always has been, nothing new, nothing changed.
And of course there always was a small delay in updating darbars, but that never was a distance thing. And it's still the same - just sometimes (It may occur on some maps only) there are suddenly cons in the sector at high altitudes that never made  a darbar. This is happening irregularly.

ive personally never seen this so i cant argue for or against it <S>

[Traveler]

First, I like the new radar set up. Second , many people seem to confuse Radar with DarBar, they are two different things.   The Radar shows you the red dot within a radar ring of a active radar.  The DarBar just indicates that there is an nme aircraft or a friendly in the sector. 

I associated the DarBar with ground spotters that would call in aircraft that they had spotted.  Radar of course provided a more accurate representation of the location of the aircraft.

I think that perhaps one improvement that might provide an interesting game play would be if Radar was modeled more accurately as the true line of sight instrument that it was.  Giving the pilots the ability to hide behind mountains  and use hills to mask their approach.   In other words if there is a mountain range between an aircraft and the radar , the aircraft would not appear on Radar until well above the mountain level.  Aircraft flying down a valley would not appear on radar unless the radar had line of sight rage down that valley.
 
I realize that it may not be possible do to coding limitations or complexity.  Perhaps another approach could be found to provide a progressive approach to accuracy of the radar.   I think that on the coasts or flatlands,  within 5 miles of the radar 65 feet is fine,   as you more out and away from the radar the coverage is raised.  Maybe 5.1-15 miles it’s 200 feet,  15.1 to 20 miles it’s 500 feet.  Something to recognize that Radar was not perfect.   Also.  The way radar is spread out in the game it is only  at a base.   When it actually was most often a standalone installation.   You could have less airfields and  more Radar installations.  Allow the radar installations to be captured.

[ImADot]

I've been noticing that the darbar appears once a plane gets into the radar ring.  Once his dot shows up, so does the darbar.  Perhaps it's the same even when the radar is down - you can't see the dot, but the darbar only appears once a con hits the radar ring.

[Traveler]

I've been noticing that the darbar appears once a plane gets into the radar ring.  Once his dot shows up, so does the darbar.  Perhaps it's the same even when the radar is down - you can't see the dot, but the darbar only appears once a con hits the radar ring.

If that is true that would be a major change from the original intent and use of the DarBar.  I don't think it operates that way .  I think if an aircraft is in a sector and above 65 feet they are supposed to show in the DarBar.   The DarBar grows as more aircraft are in the sector above 65 feet.

[Lusche]

If that is true that would be a major change from the original intent and use of the DarBar.  I don't think it operates that way .  I think if an aircraft is in a sector and above 65 feet they are supposed to show in the DarBar.   The DarBar grows as more aircraft are in the sector above 65 feet.

Darbar alt is still 500ft, that's why NOE's still work - all you gotta do is killing the targets base radar tower first.

[Traveler]

Darbar alt is still 500ft, that's why NOE's still work - all you gotta do is killing the targets base radar tower first.

thanks, is it 500ft or 300ft?  I've seen both numbers refered to  but never tested it.