For the Love of God PLEASE!!!!

[mechanic]

Ok, so it's getting more obvious that you have a reading comprehension problem or, do not know the definition of the word opinion, or both. Either way you are attempting to persist with an uneducated opinion. First thing you need to do is actually read my posts and find anywhere that yours truly posted an opinion on european players.

Who said anything about european players? We was talking about european timezones, remember? Sure it's me that needs reading comprehension skills?

But seeing as you asked, this is a particularly selfish opinion you had on euro players:

Is the arena caps a pita sometimes? Yes, especially for the euro players but they are not the majority of the players, the majority of the players are not complaining...

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Next time, try poking at someone with a lower IQ, you might be successful.

Successful at what? Making them understand my opinion on their opinion?

I think it's pretty clear I need to converse with someone of at least double your inteligence to stand any chance of explaining that complex situation.

I would not normaly grace someone with another reply after they pull the 'I was fishing' retreat. Geuss you must be special.

Better luck with your next 'fish'...

[VoX]

gyrene,

your argument is flawed because you have based it on your own deluded opinion.

Fact 1. Caps appear not to be based on any other reason other than to stear people into low content arenas. How can it be anything different? The reason for this maybe Server loading, but I doubt your knowledge extends this far!
Fact 2. This differs at Euro Time than at USA time, do you pay more than anyone in Europe?
Fact 3. We do not know how much money:-

    1. The hosted services cost HTC, if at all hosted?
    2. The cost of the Leased Lines. (And yes there will be leased lines, you are showing your ineptitude thinking they are reserved for ISP's)
    3. What the TCO of the product to the business is. (I am sure you can Google that one, moron!)

Fact 4. You have hijacked this thread to be a hero in your own lunch time to HTC instead of thinking about the thread in a rational manner and its aim to improve the experience for a vast number of players.

Your IQ I suspect is ALOT lower than mine as you keep opening your mouth and removing any doubt.  

[Ack-Ack]

Fact 1. Caps appear not to be based on any other reason other than to stear people into low content arenas. How can it be anything different? The reason for this maybe Server loading, but I doubt your knowledge extends this far!

Incorrect unless you're implying that Pryo was lying to us when he posted why they implemented split arenas and caps. 

ack-ack

[grizz441]

mechanic:1
forum snob:0

[SPKmes]

Ok Ok...let's get things in context here....Caps in US time zone you still have hundreds of players logging in to fill up the arenas....The times that these guys are talking about is late morning early afternoon....yes the servers are going to start to get busy but at the point of switch there is usually not enough players between the 2 arenas to make up a cap of 100 per arena let alone what they set it to.....give it another hour or so and there will be many more logging in and the cap will work well in spreading the load whilst still allowing a good time to be found by all...even the milking base takers need some form of support from fellow countrymen just in case they get bounced by the one or two others who are on also

On average it takes between 1 and 1 1/2 hours for the arenas to fill to the capacity required to trip the switch and open up both arenas... and that 1 - 1 1/2 hours is sloooowwww because people come and go after looking at the map and seeing 1 dot on dar.....or as it gets up to 30 players maybe 3 dots and a flashing Vbase or 2.... (holiday time excluded

So just to Recap...US timezone cap = still plenty of players in both arenas for a decent time
                        preemptive US time zone cap = slow time for the other people who play in the world

yes there are other places beyond the US borders 

[SunBat]

Gyrene, if my joust wish roused an urge in you to compete with me to see who could make a bigger bellybutton out of themselves on the BBS this week, congratulations, you win.

Discuss.

P.S. Euro players get a raw deal. There is no doubt about it.

[gyrene81]

Gyrene, if my joust wish roused an urge in you to compete with me to see who could make a bigger bellybutton out of themselves on the BBS this week, congratulations, you win.

Discuss.

P.S. Euro players get a raw deal. There is no doubt about it.

No Sunbat, it's just that once again stupid strikes where you least expect it. Not once have I said throughout this entire thing that Euro players are not affected by the arena caps, however for some reason the plethora of 1d10ts have ASSumed due to a lack of reading skills that somewhere in here I did. So let's recap shall we? Just for those who have an issue with reading comprehension...

Start with the OP:

Listen to the majority of your customers and put the arena cap at something realistic during Euro times (500 up) or get rid of the stupid thing! I don't know any member flying at Euro times that thinks it is a good idea! Try spending some of that money we keep giving you!  

Response #1:

Isn't this special stupid strikes again. If there are that many euros playing, go populate the mid war arena. But oh no's that wouldn't make sense.

You should try doing some math based on $14.95 and see how many subscribers it would take to pay the costs of operating...then go yell at the big game developers who are making millions putting out junk that people willingly pay $50 a pop for, without the benefit of massive multiplayer interaction and ~10 years of ongoing support.

Response #2:

Tell your butties to fly midwar with you, problem solved.

Obviously you are not in the IT industry nor do you have an inkling of anything business related, because it's not lease lines to which I referred. In case it escaped you in your haste to appear to have some intellect, HTC is not an ISP. The business end to which I referred is the cost of salaries, office, servers, utilities, office equipment, taxes, etc... all part of being a small business. Again, do the math.

Respons #3:

Bold underlined text, no he doesn't. Is the arena caps a pita sometimes? Yes, especially for the euro players but they are not the majority of the players, the majority of the players are not complaining and the arena caps have nothing to do with the fees we pay to play.

Response #4:

Response to this:


Has nothing to do with arena caps.

And end with response #5:

I can only go by what I see in the forums. Most all of us know there are a very large number of players who either do not look in the forums or limit their forum participation to specific areas outside of the general discussions. So doing an advanced search with the key words "arena caps" and having the search be conducted by the subject line so as to eliminate other discussions involving arena caps (i.e. ideas on how to improve the implementation or what have you) the exact number of gripe discussions started in the General Discussions forum alone since arena caps were started is...11.

The number of people who have been actively posting complaints since the inception of arena caps is approximately 30 from 2006 forward to now...again only in the General Discussions forum.


Now for those who have not found it nor taken the time to search for it, here is what Pyro posted in 2006 about arena caps with the ensuing 41 pages of discussion...if you have the time, it's a good educational read:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,187226.msg2168845.html#msg2168845


Now I do not disagree that arena caps are a problem, more for some than others. I have experienced it a few times myself, but rather than ranting like a 2 year old deprived of a sucker from mommy at the grocery store, I found it was just as easy to log in to a different arena for an hour or so and try again later. When you're flying around getting into sporadic fights, the time goes quickly.

Now that it's all on one page for the reading impaired, where did I once post anything that even insinuates an opinion or assumption that the players in European time zones don't get affected by the arena caps?



Or did I suddenly change my forum ID to MachFly?

Wait 5 minutes, come back and it will be open.

I don't remember a single time when I really wanted to get in one arena and could not, it just takes time.

Perhaps I'm MilesObrian...

any one who plays in the after noon in the usa or late morning, experiences the arena especially when it turns on and everyone who isnt loged on the the first arena are all forced to go in to an arena that is barely populated....

mechanic:0
forum snob:10

Fixed...

[thndregg]

It's because of this I'm thankful for real life limiting my amount of AH game time.

[SunBat]

Just for those who have an issue with reading comprehension...

Speaking of reading comprehension, being the supreme intellect around here you should know (and therefore practice) that it is exceedingly important not to start with preconceived notions when you read a piece of writing.  You assumed that my stating that you were being an bellybutton had to do with what you wrote.  I was referring to how you wrote your responses.  I'll leave it at that.  

Can I get some +1's?  

Also, my postscript was simply expressing my agreement with the OP and had nothing to do with you.  Another incorrect assumption.

You fail.  

Discuss.

[gyrene81]

You assumed that my stating that you were being an bellybutton had to do with what you wrote.

I made no such assumption sir. Quite the contrary actually.

Shall we discuss the presumptuous assumptions, especially regarding your erroneous perception of my responses being directed to your post script?

[SlapShot]

Has there ever been a reasonable response as to why these caps are even necessary?  

At least a billion times ... it appears you missed the above post and a quote from Pyro ... this is the only reasonable response that is needed and official ...

This is a quote from pyro ...

“We made this change because it will allow us to support an unlimited amount of players in a much healthier online environment that gives us better long-term growth.  The single MA has grown to the point of being unhealthy.  This is not a subjective evaluation, it is quantifiable and they are numbers that we look at every day.  It's obvious that we simply cannot keep pumping more players into a single arena without hitting a stagnation point”

[SlapShot]

Fact 1. Caps appear not to be based on any other reason other than to stear people into low content arenas. How can it be anything different? The reason for this maybe Server loading, but I doubt your knowledge extends this far!

Fail ... server loading has nothing to do with it ... read above ^^^^

[grizz441]

No Sunbat, it's just that once again stupid strikes where you least expect it. Not once have I said throughout this entire thing that Euro players are not affected by the arena caps, however for some reason the plethora of 1d10ts have ASSumed due to a lack of reading skills that somewhere in here I did. So let's recap shall we? Just for those who have an issue with reading comprehension...

No, but what you do is snob in on your high horse and spew empty rhetoric about Euro players banning together and filling up vacant arenas like MW as if they are some sort of collective group that logs on and communicates together.  And not only that, but you habitually belittle very intelligent posters on this board with condescending comments in some sort of attempt to establish your intellectual superiority over them.  Your attitude makes me want to ralph all over my new shoes.

Can I get some +1's?  

+1
SunBat 2012

[SlapShot]

The part I have a problem understanding is the following: “The single MA has grown to the point of being unhealthy”  I just don’t understand what that statement means.  Are the quantifiable numbers he is referring to subscriptions?  

Unhealthy in that context ... Too people/players in a limited amount of space gets over-saturated and people start to get nasty with each other ... which from what understood was driving new (and older) players away from the game ... most importantly, the new players. Subscriptions were either falling off and/or were stagnant. Once the arena caps were put in place ... the subscriber base began to grow again ... growing subscriber base = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[SlapShot]

Fact 4. You have hijacked this thread to be a hero in your own lunch time to HTC instead of thinking about the thread in a rational manner and its aim to improve the experience for a vast number of players.

Your point is valid but your delivery in your original post plainly ... sucked.

You want HTC to read the context of this thread in a rational manner yet your OP is no where near rational and would be what I would consider insulting. If I were Dale and I read that post, I would have hit the page back button and completely ignored this thread.

Take a lesson from Lusche on how to broach a subject such as this ... he is already trying to carry the torch for the Euros ... best to let him continue.