Pilot Wounds

[Nemisis]

I believe everyone should replace the sound of engine failure in the game to "I'm giving it all she's got, Cap'n!!!"

So you have just escaped a major furball, a couple kills, rtb, oil hit, all of a sudden, prop falters... "I'm giving it all she's got, Cap'n!!!"

Just add it in after the default sound. It would bu funny as hell.

[JimmyC]

I heard in RL pulling G's you loose colour vision before black out
That would be good
Grey out before black out

[Pigslilspaz]

do you know what a .50 caliber shot in the arm would do to the arm?  it would be gone, and you'll bleed to death in a few min.  my bet is a .50 shot anywhere just chances of surviving are pretty much based on how fast you can stop the bleeding and how fast you can get to a doctor.  specially a .50 from an airplane round.


semp

remember, there are things between you and the bullet, including glass, fuselage, etc.
I remember reading a story of one of the members of the Black Sheep squadron (may have been Pappy himself) that a Japanese 20mm round had gone into the cockpit but had lost enough kinetic energy (probably went through fuselage) but ricocheted off something inside the cockpit and landed in the shoe/boot of the pilot.

Basic moral of the story is, yes a direct hit from a high caliber round will kill, but only chance for direct hit is in an I-16. Also, .50's are not the only MG round in the game. 7.7mm and .303's are far smaller and have less stopping power on a human being (yes there is still stopping power, but just not as much)

[pervert]

PW = a wollypop for retards

[Larry]

now ive never been shot but I have but ive lost blood to the point of light headedness an managed to fight off the wooziness an continue what i was doin. or maybe i was just woozy from seein all the blood

Never been shot but have experienced a black out do to sudden drop in blood pressure due to a wound. One second I'm laughing telling others its nothing don't worry about it and the next I'm laying on the ground with people standing over me trying to wake me up. There was no tunnel vision like in game. The last thing I remember was saying I feel dizzy and then I was out like a light.

[Rino]

remember, there are things between you and the bullet, including glass, fuselage, etc.
I remember reading a story of one of the members of the Black Sheep squadron (may have been Pappy himself) that a Japanese 20mm round had gone into the cockpit but had lost enough kinetic energy (probably went through fuselage) but ricocheted off something inside the cockpit and landed in the shoe/boot of the pilot.

Basic moral of the story is, yes a direct hit from a high caliber round will kill, but only chance for direct hit is in an I-16. Also, .50's are not the only MG round in the game. 7.7mm and .303's are far smaller and have less stopping power on a human being (yes there is still stopping power, but just not as much)

     I spent around 25 years around aircraft, both military and civilian.  I wouldn't trust in the ability of
almost any aircraft to "slow down" a 50 cal BMG round.  Adding to the carnage is the common use of
armor piercing incendiary ammunition which wouldn't even notice the aluminum fuselage.  

     It might hesitate at the cockpit armor, but at 200-400 yards, I wouldn't bet on it.  I certainly
wouldn't consider glass an effective protection system as well.  You tend to hear about the lucky
guys who survived close calls....the ones that didn't aren't quite so vocal.  Getting hit by a high
velocity 30 caliber is not exactly minor either.

     The ranges commonly used in AH are very close for the weapons used.  Which means the velocity
and penetration would still be relatively high.

[CAP1]

work around it.

i fly a pee38. i get them ALL the time.

 it's kinda fun when you manage to still kill someone with said pilot wound.

 without the possibility of pilot wounds, ho'ing would be worse, ramming would be worse, pretty much every gamy aspect would get worse, 'cause there'd be no reason to be even remotely careful in the fight.

i'm surprised to see such a complaint coming from you to be honest sir.

[Ack-Ack]

Never been shot but have experienced a black out do to sudden drop in blood pressure due to a wound. One second I'm laughing telling others its nothing don't worry about it and the next I'm laying on the ground with people standing over me trying to wake me up. There was no tunnel vision like in game. The last thing I remember was saying I feel dizzy and then I was out like a light.

think the tunnel vision prior to black out is a game play concession to give you some time to hit the auto-level.  at least that's what I use the small window of time the tunnel vision gives prior to black out for.


ack-ack

[Imowface]

remember, there are things between you and the bullet, including glass, fuselage, etc.
I remember reading a story of one of the members of the Black Sheep squadron (may have been Pappy himself) that a Japanese 20mm round had gone into the cockpit but had lost enough kinetic energy (probably went through fuselage) but ricocheted off something inside the cockpit and landed in the shoe/boot of the pilot.

Basic moral of the story is, yes a direct hit from a high caliber round will kill, but only chance for direct hit is in an I-16. Also, .50's are not the only MG round in the game. 7.7mm and .303's are far smaller and have less stopping power on a human being (yes there is still stopping power, but just not as much)

I find the story that a 20mm round, went though all that stuff and didnt explode, and 20mm doesnt use kenetic energy to do damage, it use's TNT, with an impact fuse, now, if it were a hurricane, I would find this more beliveable, as cannon rounds did sometimes just pass right through the fabric fuselage, but as for passing through metal? it was either a dud ( lucky pilot) or possibly a smaller round, like a 12.7mm, or it just didnt happen

[CAP1]

remember, there are things between you and the bullet, including glass, fuselage, etc.
I remember reading a story of one of the members of the Black Sheep squadron (may have been Pappy himself) that a Japanese 20mm round had gone into the cockpit but had lost enough kinetic energy (probably went through fuselage) but ricocheted off something inside the cockpit and landed in the shoe/boot of the pilot.

Basic moral of the story is, yes a direct hit from a high caliber round will kill, but only chance for direct hit is in an I-16. Also, .50's are not the only MG round in the game. 7.7mm and .303's are far smaller and have less stopping power on a human being (yes there is still stopping power, but just not as much)

i believe the 20mm round that the japanese used back then was just a big bullet, with poor ballastics. it wasn't an explosive round.
 as for the glass....canopies were(i think)plexiglass.  the windscreen was bullet resistant, not bullet proof. the armor plating on the back of the pilots seat was by no means inpermeable to machine gun fire....not even the 7.7mm round. it would stop some, but sooner or later, something's going to pass through.
 
 as for the fuselage......feeeerrrrGET it! aluminum and it was only a couple thousandths of an inch thick. a good pellet gun will penetrate the fuselage skin.

 aircraft of past days did not have the armor bath tub that todays do. they had the plate behind the seat, some had a plate to two in front, and i think none of them(although i'm not sure) had any armor protection on the sides.

[Larry]

and i think none of them(although i'm not sure) had any armor protection on the sides.

You would be surprised. Remember the most important thing of the plane was the pilot, and most countries did their best to protect them. It was easier to make another plane then it was to teach someone how to fly them.

[CAP1]

You would be surprised. Remember the most important thing of the plane was the pilot, and most countries did their best to protect them. It was easier to make another plane then it was to teach someone how to fly them.

i understand that......but i think the aircraft back then didn't have the power to be able to carry the extra weight of the armor.

 someone had in the past...akak or guppy....had posted a pic of the p38 armor layout. i'm not sure how it was in the p51, or the navy fighters......

 it would be interesting to find how the german stuff was armored too.

[Ack-Ack]

i understand that......but i think the aircraft back then didn't have the power to be able to carry the extra weight of the armor.

For some planes it wasn't a lack of power but an actual conscience decision like the A6M for added maneuverability and range.

The image of the P-38's armor was posted by Murdr.

ack-ack

[CAP1]

For some planes it wasn't a lack of power but an actual conscience decision like the A6M for added maneuverability and range.

The image of the P-38's armor was posted by Murdr.

ack-ack

you wouldnt happen to have it handy to put up, would ya?

[Ack-Ack]

you wouldnt happen to have it handy to put up, would ya?

ack-ack