Early war set-up

[Nemisis]

My Sea Tiger is equipped with a brewster squadron. We have a stock pile large enough to last us up through January of '44 , assuming combat losses of 3 per week. Unfortunatly, we only have enough sidewinders to last us till mid October, so after that the brewsters will have to rely on their 20mm gattling guns to get kills. Still haven't heard any news as to the avaliablity of 262 engines for them though.

[Vudu15]

Well I guess the mere metion of Brewsters sends everyone into left field.......my bad. 

[Brooke]

Well I guess the mere metion of Brewsters sends everyone into left field.......my bad. 

It's OK.  We can blame it all on Nemesis. 

[Nemisis]

Brooke is right, I kind of derailed the thread, but its your fault for playing along. Brooke and his damn Sea Tiger.....

[StokesAk]

P38G would be out of the question correct?

[Brooke]

Brooke and his damn Sea Tiger.....

Heh! 

[Brooke]

P38G would be out of the question correct?

There weren't any in Siege of Malta, but the scenario after that will have P-38's.

[StokesAk]

There weren't any in Siege of Malta, but the scenario after that will have P-38's.

Hmmmm..... now I have to decide what I should fly.

[Brooke]

Hmmmm..... now I have to decide what I should fly.

How about the Sea Tiger?

Actually, here is what the plane set is looking like so far (still preliminary).
-- Spit V, F4F-4 (Martlet), Seafire II and/or Hurri II as a Sea Hurricane, Boston III, B-24J.
-- Bf 109F-4, Bf 110C-4b, C.202, Ju 88A-4, Ju 87D-3.

[Little Dragon]

How about the Sea Tiger?

Actually, here is what the plane set is looking like so far (still preliminary).
-- Spit V, F4F-4 (Martlet), Seafire II and/or Hurri II as a Sea Hurricane, Boston III, B-24J.
-- Bf 109F-4, Bf 110C-4b, C.202, Ju 88A-4, Ju 87D-3.

Hmm...Sounds like AvA with these planes aside from spits and bombers....guess i know the best spot to practice      

[Brooke]

One correction.  B-25's (as Wellingtons) will be used in place of the Bostons.

[Krusty]

While the Sea Hurricane Mk.ICs used at the time of this operation had 4x 20mm cannon in the wings, they were built off of war-weary Mk.I airframes and had Merlin III engines. They had those engines' boost increased, but still they were Merlin III's.

Putting in a Hurr2C would be significantly more powerful, performance wise.

The question you have to ask is do you want to match the guns in the wings? Or how those wings fly and fight? Because you match a Hurr2C up to a Hurr1A and it's way way more powerful (especially in dives). With the liberal way the Hurricanes and 110s perform in BOB and other early scenarios, one might lean on the side of "Put the Mk.I in" and still be better off than you might think.

[Fencer51]

One also has to consider that the Axis has all JU88s for their bombers, rather than the HE111s, S79s and other Italian birds.

[Krusty]

Very true, but spit5s and seafires (spit5s with 240 rounds) can be quite potent against Ju88s as we learned in the 4th frame of BOB'06 (was it '06 or '08? The what-if frame). Give them Spit5s and hurr2cs and it seems quite the jaws to send those poor Ju88s into. F4Fs are no slouch for hunting bombers, either (as long as they can catch 'em, that is).

Balance wise, you have C2s which I love but will be mostly ineffective (guns package), 110Cs which will be dogmeat up against Spit5s and hurr2s, and the 109F, which will be somewhat capable but outnumbered by better turning planes or planes with more cannons.

Don't get me wrong, I can see it working both ways, but I'm thinking the balance is tilted towards the allies if the hurr2c is thrown in there.


Food for thought, that's all.

[StokesAk]

I think that equally we have to look at the armaments and performance.

The 8 .303's will tear a plane apart if they get anywhere in D200, they are also relatively good against the weak Ju88's if they have altitude. On the flip side, the 109F and 110C are really the only "heavy hitters" the LW has in terms of killing bombers (B24s). The 110C has 2 cannons but they are less the effective outside of D500. The 109F can kill them but with the expense of lost planes to radiator hits and engine leaks.

IMHO I would give the RAF the Hurricane Mk. 1 and a mix of a small amount of Hurricane Mk. 2-c. I think this would balance things out.

As for performance, the 110C, C.202 and 109F will be able to out preform the 2c at most altitudes. (correct me if im wrong) I think that this mix of 1's and 2-c's would not take away from the scenario. As we would like to be able to use all the plane that there were in WWII, this is a game and we have to make it playable from the players perspective.