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Re: Are people GOOD IN NATURE or Bad???
« Reply #45 on: September 15, 2010, 08:09:09 PM »
You have already stated that every thing is perfectly balanced and people are 50% 50%  so there is no way you can have equilibrium as some people that are not balanced.

read again Fire! You are forming a habbit of putting words into my mouth here 
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Re: Are people GOOD IN NATURE or Bad???
« Reply #46 on: September 15, 2010, 08:32:37 PM »
Everything in existence is in balance perfectly. Equaly. Good and bad exists equaly and generaly all people have an equaly light and dark side to their nature



No  i am trying to understand what you are saying.       Everything in existence is in balance perfectly.    Except  some humans?  and for those that are unbalanced there would have to be others to and equal amout that are unbalanced.
Seems like the second guy has no choice he must be balanced based on the choice of the one that came before.
Do you see my point if some humans are unbalanced then   EVERYthing In existence is not in balance.  Further more  if one human is unblanced were would you get the balance when the other person has not been born yet?
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Re: Are people GOOD IN NATURE or Bad???
« Reply #47 on: September 15, 2010, 08:42:38 PM »
ok, i see.

think of it like this.

Person A. Has an equaly light a dark nature. But they never go to either of the extremes and they never really do much at all. The worst thing they are capable of is equal to the best thing. So as they are of no impact to anything.

Person B. Has an equaly light and dark nature. They are so extreme that they may go to extreme lengths to love and cherish one as pect of existence while happily letting the extreme of their dark/bad side murder or rape.

Person C.  Has an equaly light and dark nature. They are moderate. They donate to charity but they also excesively punish their dog. This is the average person. Trying to do as many good things as possible but generally always having shortcoming of their own that create bad behaviour. We all try to pretend we have more good than bad but it often works about about even.

Person D. An exception Where they are perfectly good or perfectly bad without a known opposite nature. Sometimes just because the opposite nature is not visible perhaps, other times a genuine expection to the law.


see what im saying?
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Re: Are people GOOD IN NATURE or Bad???
« Reply #48 on: September 15, 2010, 08:46:18 PM »
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Re: Are people GOOD IN NATURE or Bad???
« Reply #49 on: September 15, 2010, 08:48:39 PM »
ever heard of moral relativity?

people will do what they personally feel is within morals, which may hardly be moral to another person.
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Re: Are people GOOD IN NATURE or Bad???
« Reply #50 on: September 15, 2010, 08:48:55 PM »
If there are some that are unbalanced there are others that are extra balanced...  I guess I don't understand what is so hard to understand about the concept? 

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Re: Are people GOOD IN NATURE or Bad???
« Reply #51 on: September 15, 2010, 08:56:45 PM »
people will do what they feel is within personal morals, which may not always be moral by another persons standards.
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Re: Are people GOOD IN NATURE or Bad???
« Reply #52 on: September 15, 2010, 08:57:16 PM »
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Re: Are people GOOD IN NATURE or Bad???
« Reply #53 on: September 15, 2010, 08:59:37 PM »
If there are some that are unbalanced there are others that are extra balanced...  I guess I don't understand what is so hard to understand about the concept? 

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Re: Are people GOOD IN NATURE or Bad???
« Reply #54 on: September 15, 2010, 09:28:22 PM »
If there are some that are unbalanced there are others that are extra balanced...  I guess I don't understand what is so hard to understand about the concept? 

Where do you get the Magic to balance.  The second guy would have no choice about being balanced or unbalanced.

 

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Re: Are people GOOD IN NATURE or Bad???
« Reply #55 on: September 15, 2010, 09:51:55 PM »
People are good at birth, but unfortunately, they learn quickly. :devil
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Re: Are people GOOD IN NATURE or Bad???
« Reply #56 on: September 15, 2010, 11:29:04 PM »
Hey you don't have to agree of course, but I think you still dont grasp the concept of balance I am describing.

I'm speaking in generalizations about the broad scale of existence. It has little really to do with individuals which is a subject you have diverted me onto with your interpretation of what I said.
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Re: Are people GOOD IN NATURE or Bad???
« Reply #57 on: September 15, 2010, 11:56:32 PM »
Im just trying to stay in context of the O.P. .Maybe that's why I'm having trouble grasping your concept.

I dont think i am responsible for diverting you with my interpretation of individuals that's what  A8tools post is about people.  People are individuals.
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Re: Are people GOOD IN NATURE or Bad???
« Reply #58 on: September 16, 2010, 12:11:35 AM »
the OP could be considered from two angles.

1) are 'people' (individuals) good or bad?

2) are 'people' (humanity as a whole) good or bad?

Good discussion anyhow, I'm enjoying the topic.
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Re: Are people GOOD IN NATURE or Bad???
« Reply #59 on: September 16, 2010, 12:36:11 AM »
ok, i see.

think of it like this.

Person A. Has an equaly light a dark nature. But they never go to either of the extremes and they never really do much at all. The worst thing they are capable of is equal to the best thing. So as they are of no impact to anything.

Person B. Has an equaly light and dark nature. They are so extreme that they may go to extreme lengths to love and cherish one as pect of existence while happily letting the extreme of their dark/bad side murder or rape.

Person C.  Has an equaly light and dark nature. They are moderate. They donate to charity but they also excesively punish their dog. This is the average person. Trying to do as many good things as possible but generally always having shortcoming of their own that create bad behaviour. We all try to pretend we have more good than bad but it often works about about even.

Person D. An exception Where they are perfectly good or perfectly bad without a known opposite nature. Sometimes just because the opposite nature is not visible perhaps, other times a genuine expection to the law.


see what im saying?
I grasp the concept of what your saying. The examples you gave are of specific individuals. How can I think anything Else.  Persons A ,B ,and C are all the same you only changed the strength of their good and bad. Person D is unknown so does not apply or he is an exception which contradicts your law of balance. My questions are still the same if its universal ( as in the universe) or individual balance.  Where do you get the Magic to balance. Required balance of good and bad requires a moral authority that already exists. It would require a preexistence of these terms defined and mathematically represented. You  are talking about a highly organized system that can not be done with randomness.

Can we apply good and bad to anything other than individuals and their experiences?
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