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Offline perdue3

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Re: The WWI arena today
« Reply #105 on: September 26, 2010, 08:46:03 PM »
Really hating on me huh? Kepp it comin.

If you don't see my point, that is fine with me. But I can guarantee we will see no bombers or base capturing in WWI. Fr that I am grateful.

SCTusk, yes I like the DRI for many reasons. IF you would like me to fly a D7 to show my skill or lack thereof, fine.

BaldEagl, I'm not the best, not even close. I am in the tourney and I will probably lose the first round. But I enjoy fighting the horde and keeping WWI Arena a pure fighting arena seeing as how that is the only one we have that is pure dogfighting with no major advantages apart from skill level.

By the way, WormZ1La is much better than me in DRI  :salute Worm



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Re: The WWI arena today
« Reply #106 on: September 26, 2010, 09:03:53 PM »
First of all Wab nothing but respect headed your way from me.  <S>
I agree we probably had virtually exactly the same kind of experiences.

As to what I was thinking, well I wasn't thinking field capture, win the war. HT has pretty much made his mind up on that particular subject. And getting him to change his mind takes either a whole lot of expensive booze, or a nuke, or perhaps you could bribe his wife and get her to whisper sweetly into his ear at night. But for me, I'll accept that what HT has said will be. Its his Sandbox.

That does not mean that we can not have other things to do.
Thanks that might effect the arena, or somethings that might not.
Maybe they'd just be contact points for combat like a task group is in the main?

Things like a Zeppelin's in the middle of the map, so we can grab a wingman or 2 and take a try at Zep hunting. What if you could jump into the zep for your side and man a gun if its under attack? No one said it had to be easy! Just that with good flying and perhaps a wingman you might make it back to base often enough to keep you interested!

Or perhaps things like Barrage Balloon busting. Now if your going to tie that to an arena setting, you need to think through what it would do to gameplay. And while I wouldn't necessarily want to see all flack's at a base to be turned off. Perhaps if the enemy destroyed 50% of your balloons the range that your flacks fired at was reduced significantly until they regenerated.

Again, they can be defended, that is just a matter of map making.

Convoy strafing, dare I say (nope, chickened out)
Well you really wouldn't want anything making it not possible to fly certain birds would you? No I didn't think so.

Or perhaps it could effect ammo load available for a field?
You can still up, you can still fly, and fight. But perhaps there is no incendiary ammo available for balloon busting or Zep hunting? Or perhaps your only able to take 50% of a normal ammo load?

I leave it in HT's hands. He's the guru of gameplay, so I'm not going to ask for something he's never willing to give.  My point is that all of us who were in WWI that first tour obviously were there for a reason. And the way it is now really has not been good for gameplay and arena health long term.

So perhaps its time to leave one arena as it is, pure grinding furball. And experiment with the other.
Maybe contact a few of the map makers to see what idea's they have. After all a new map couldn't hardly hurt, right?

And if he can figure out a way to give us things to do, that do not involve field capture, and arena resets, well heck I'm all for that. What I do know, he's modeled a Zep before for DOA, so I know he can do that if he choses. DOA even had the ability to call in arty strikes from 2 seater planes, but only from the rear seat. I know we have trucks and trains in the AH mains that could be slowed down, remodeled to WWI look. I'm willing to bet he could model a Zep that cruised around the arena not all that disimilar from a task force. With a half a dozen mannable guns on it that can be jumped into. Just like the manable guns on the fleet.

Heck he could even get totally whacked and award ribbons and medals for doing enough damage.
Look at all that RPG players go through to "level up" or that WoT players go through to get the next tier of tank. Talk about the carrot on the stick, they've got guys jumping through hoops just to play with a tank thats got a 45mm gun instead of a 37mm, with maybe a 1/4" more armor. And they'll grind for days to save the credits to buy it, and earn the XP points to research and unlock it, then tweak it up. Who says we have to have all the planes available to everyone all the time in all arena's?

But instead of an RPS what about "earning" those birds with successful sorties?

Its a brand new arena, the sky is virtually the limit. Isn't it worth some time to try something new? Perhaps something totally different?

Perhaps Wab in my old age I am finally learning some wisdom. Some windmills can not be felled by tilting at them. Perhaps we need to find a different way. So I prefer not to ask for specifics in general. If I can tweak god's beard and perhaps get him to sit up and think, perhaps give us something totally new, well I'm all for that. I really prefer not to get into heated discussions with him. You really don't get anywhere that way.

But I do know, that even he has to see that its not working as it is.
And that the only way it will work, long term, is to give people who are not in the top 10 a chance to fly, and do something. Something that doesn't put them back in the tower every 5 minutes. Something that encourages them to stick around, try something else.

After all isn't that why the mains have Bombers? And Tanks? And PT boats? And Task Groups?
Isn't all that for diversity? Well the WWI arena is screaming for diversity. And if you build it, we will come.

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Re: The WWI arena today
« Reply #107 on: September 26, 2010, 09:49:57 PM »
I was in there earlier and two guys were upping from the opposite field so I upped in the devils little triplane and shot them down 5 times.  They were in D7s and Sops.  Then they left, one of them said I could "have the map".  I wondered about that.  Oh well.

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Re: The WWI arena today
« Reply #108 on: September 27, 2010, 09:53:13 AM »
at approx 175mph the DR1 has bottom wing failure + elevators Camel suffers wing failure at around 180mph D7 loses wheels at 180mph and 186mph elevators come off.

Good tests Perv but I think there are other structural issues beyond overspeed; add some G to the equation at even moderate dive speeds and the Camel and F2b fall apart (not sure about the D7) yet the F2b had a reputation as a sturdy a/c and fast in the dive. The Dr1 seems to hold together better under high G loads in dives.

SCTusk, yes I like the DRI for many reasons. IF you would like me to fly a D7 to show my skill or lack thereof, fine.
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It's not my business to tell people what to fly Perdweeb, I do however highly recommend that once someone becomes competitive in the Dr1 they try another ride for a number of reasons. If you seriously want the WW1 arena to continue as a furball arena only, then you should see the need for better balance between the new and experienced players. I'm not suggesting anyone 'let' a new player shoot them down, but as they progress the dynamics of 1v1 dogfights with anything other than a Dr1 should at least encourage them, whereas the pesky little triplane will probably never even drift across their sights.
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Re: The WWI arena today
« Reply #109 on: September 27, 2010, 10:03:29 AM »
It's not my business to tell people what to fly Perdweeb, I do however highly recommend that once someone becomes competitive in the Dr1 they try another ride for a number of reasons. If you seriously want the WW1 arena to continue as a furball arena only, then you should see the need for better balance between the new and experienced players.

This is very good advice.

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Re: The WWI arena today
« Reply #110 on: September 27, 2010, 10:43:36 AM »
Let me say here that it is ultimately up to the n00b individual how they want to approach the game.

When I first logged on for the very first time in WBs I was mercilessly murdered OTR 22 times before I could even start forward momentum.  This was before I even understood how to start the motor, get airborne and get the wheels up.  I was on as a total freshly birthed n00b just excited as hell to be online.  What I didnt have a sense of at that time was that I was upping in the middle of a total vultch fest.

It was my desire to learn and become accomplished at this seemingly monstrous task of becoming a highly regaled combat ace that I suffered many months at the hands of vicious virtual killers before I even broke even on K/D.  

My point is you have to WANT to become accomplished.  If getting waxed over and over shuts down your enthusiasm for wanting to play then I seriously wonder if you even belong in the game.

Yes, it is a difficult game to master.  I always help anyone who asks for it.  Always.

 
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Re: The WWI arena today
« Reply #111 on: September 27, 2010, 05:10:31 PM »
 :salute perdweeb
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Re: The WWI arena today
« Reply #112 on: September 27, 2010, 09:47:11 PM »

It was my desire to learn and become accomplished at this seemingly monstrous task of becoming a highly regaled combat ace that I suffered many months at the hands of vicious virtual killers before I even broke even on K/D. 

My point is you have to WANT to become accomplished.  If getting waxed over and over shuts down your enthusiasm for wanting to play then I seriously wonder if you even belong in the game.

Yes, it is a difficult game to master.  I always help anyone who asks for it.  Always.

 

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I hope the numbers come back up, I really like the www1 arena. thanks for the rudder tip Worm <S>
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Re: The WWI arena today
« Reply #113 on: September 27, 2010, 11:23:25 PM »
Your most welcome Mr Skull.  If anyone wants some training in the old planes, just look me up. Helping people get better at flying them can only improve the arena, which im all for.
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Re: The WWI arena today
« Reply #114 on: September 28, 2010, 09:14:12 AM »
Having spent around 30 hrs in the WWI arena this month, I guess I must enjoy the current setup. :) So I won’t comment on the long term future of the arena and whether it should move towards the mains style or not, but I would like to see a change to the current map layout.

Having three "sides" I thought was meant to promote side balancing, but the current map (airfield layout) actively discourages this.

Currently most engagements take place in one of three places - the shortest distance between any two opposing sides.



If I log in and there is already two players up, I would prefer to switch to the third side, doubling the number of active targets for me and not unbalancing the numbers on anyone side. But then I'm faced with a very long flight (four times the distance) to the current fight (and a very long flight home if I survive).



It's not the distance between individual bases that's the problem, just the layout seeks to exclude the third side.

If we could move three of the current bases near no mans land, while retaining the current distance between the bases, it would look something like this.



The third side is now less than twice the distance away at worst.



If moving the bases is to complicated/time consuming, maybe you could just switch the bases around a bit in one of the WWI arenas. If each friendly base were opposite each other rather than next to each other it would look like this.



Which would at least reduce the distance for the third side a little, although not ideal.

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Re: The WWI arena today
« Reply #115 on: September 28, 2010, 06:18:44 PM »
WTG Sid   :salute    u :rock :rock :rock
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Re: The WWI arena today
« Reply #116 on: September 28, 2010, 06:22:41 PM »
very well thought out sid  :salute  i would agree to the base change so there could easily be 3 stiks fighting each other. Sid....you should send that into HT for approval.

And what is this tourny I keep reading about?  WW1 tourny?

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Re: The WWI arena today
« Reply #117 on: September 28, 2010, 08:27:34 PM »
Make the 2nd friendly base at 3-4k..

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Re: The WWI arena today
« Reply #118 on: September 29, 2010, 03:23:56 AM »
I just don't get the three country system  :( I'm reminded of an old Readers Digest article, some guy reminiscing about his childhood... he used to play joyfully with his dad's binoculars, so they gave him a plastic toy pair of his own. He remembered feeling disappointed, saying the toy was lightweight and lacked that smooth expensive feel in the movement. The toy had none of that particular 'binocularness' which a decent real pair has.

Same thing here, for me anyway. Three sides? Sky full of Dr1's? (well, as far as that goes these days) And some unwritten law that you don't jump in on a 1v1. Yeah, there's definitely some 'WW1ness' missing.

wah!  :cry Want a real one.
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Re: The WWI arena today
« Reply #119 on: September 29, 2010, 07:39:37 AM »
you could throw free beer,girls and a 60 inch screen to go with a comfy chair and you still won't get anyone in there. :cheers:

Best way to discribe it....It's like visiting relatives, nice to visit, better to leave