f4u4 shot down by brew at 500mph on deck

[Whitey33]

In the hanger, before u up, type .brewwep and you will get the Brewster variant with wep. It can go up to 525. I was the Brewster that shot you. All I did was kick in the WEP and I caught up.

 

[Lusche]

He didn't say it was a "bug".

He did, as this thread was moved over from the Bugs Forum

[Tumor]

Most likely a combination of lag and the Brew having position and initial speed and/or alt.  No big deal, it happens.  A good pile-it picks his target before his target knows he's there and has an exit strategy that "hopefully" confounds the hordes of blood thirsty dog-pilers.  The best of flyers around here get jumped and kilt by someone who's watching carefully all the time, they usually scream something about cherry-picking, sometimes they salute.

Look out for the lag happy types... they're the worst at getting you under hard-to-explain circumstances. There are very few who are really successful at "flying" (kappa comes to mind) as opposed to playing the lag game (but they'll all blather on and on about ACM). Over time you'll find you can guess who they are simply by watching how they do what they do.

[CAP1]

i don't know exact speeds, till i go home and look at film.....midwar. 38j comes into a27 high. i was climbing through 4k grabbing hard trying to get up to him. two others rolled. i saw him make a pass at the base, going for the dar. i followed, but couldn't catch him. saw him extending and pulling up, so i went vertical.
 watched him turn, and i was already positioned between him and the base, a few thousand yards off to the side. as i see him enter the dive, i start my turn, coming out on his six, d1,000, and closing. he didn't re-climb this time, but rather kept going at tree top level.
 i was holding at d800 now. zoomed in, i'd fire with just guns, and if i saw hits score, i'd put some cannon rounds out there. it took me a bit of chasing, but i got him.
 
 it's not that hard to get a faster plane, if you're in the right place at the right time.

[Saxman]

As far as the 800yd kill, that could also just have been a case of a magic BB. Every now and then someone will snap off an extreme long-range shot that just happens to hit in the right spot. I've finished a pass on Buffs and been flying away along their same line of flight (so no energy bonus for flying into their bullets) only to have my wing nipped off at 1000yds in the past, so it's definitely possible.

Also, staying on the deck is a bad place to be 99 times out of 100. Finish your run, and grab some sky. Brewsters aren't fast under their own power but they can build up a GOOD head of steam in a dive. They just can't hold onto it nearly as well as the F4U. You probably gave him a nice, long vertical drop onto your six. Your best move would have been to start back up as soon as you finished your first attack, and pick him up QUICKLY. I especially like to cut back into a diving opponent, forcing him to either break off or steepen his dive, which makes it harder for him to pull out on the bottom end without burning as much E. They key is, your -4 will hold on to that 500mph longer in the vertical than that Brewster, especially if you force him to maneuver.

[FLOTSOM]

As far as the 800yd kill, that could also just have been a case of a magic BB. Every now and then someone will snap off an extreme long-range shot that just happens to hit in the right spot. I've finished a pass on Buffs and been flying away along their same line of flight (so no energy bonus for flying into their bullets) only to have my wing nipped off at 1000yds in the past, so it's definitely possible.

this i hate....but do agree with 100%

a year ago i was in a K4 at tree top level chasing a P51 who was gradually pulling away from me. but because i had just the day before spent over an hour in the ta practicing long distance shots in the K4 (for the purpose of trailing bombers and shooting them at maximum range) i knew exactly where i had to align the sight to hit with a tater at the extreme 1,000 yds. the P51 stayed flat and level and counted on his speed to get enough distance to get away, this smooth no E burning run would have worked for him 99 out of 100 times, but with a gentle lift of my nose and a few rapid taps on the secondary trigger boom he was gone. so the rare extreme shot is the enigma that can catch anyone who is to confident in making a simple egress from the situation based solely on speed and without practicing any real evasion maneuvers.

POOP HAPPENS!!!!

[dmdchief]

Has anyone checked the charts on brewster?

This is one I ran when I got accused of cheating on a pm by chasing it down in p51, I was told then that the brewster could go 500mph, maybe some can get it to that speed straight down dive I don't know.

salute
ab8aac/dmdchief/aac

[grizz441]

Ooo nice chart.  If you ever see a brewster going faster than 280mph, start recording, he is a hacker.

[CAP1]

As far as the 800yd kill, that could also just have been a case of a magic BB. Every now and then someone will snap off an extreme long-range shot that just happens to hit in the right spot. I've finished a pass on Buffs and been flying away along their same line of flight (so no energy bonus for flying into their bullets) only to have my wing nipped off at 1000yds in the past, so it's definitely possible.

Also, staying on the deck is a bad place to be 99 times out of 100. Finish your run, and grab some sky. Brewsters aren't fast under their own power but they can build up a GOOD head of steam in a dive. They just can't hold onto it nearly as well as the F4U. You probably gave him a nice, long vertical drop onto your six. Your best move would have been to start back up as soon as you finished your first attack, and pick him up QUICKLY. I especially like to cut back into a diving opponent, forcing him to either break off or steepen his dive, which makes it harder for him to pull out on the bottom end without burning as much E. They key is, your -4 will hold on to that 500mph longer in the vertical than that Brewster, especially if you force him to maneuver.

i don't think my kill was a magic bb. i was zoomed in all the way, so i could see him pretty nicely. the 38j has plenty of 50 cal. i'd fire off a burst....adjust according to where it passed him....fire another.....see hits, hit the main trigger real quick. i was landing hits more often than not.
 it was agitating at first, seeing so many hits, and no serious damage, till i thought about all the energy the rounds had lost by the time they got out that far.......

[grizz441]

As far as the 800yd kill, that could also just have been a case of a magic BB. Every now and then someone will snap off an extreme long-range shot that just happens to hit in the right spot. I've finished a pass on Buffs and been flying away along their same line of flight (so no energy bonus for flying into their bullets) only to have my wing nipped off at 1000yds in the past, so it's definitely possible.

Also, staying on the deck is a bad place to be 99 times out of 100. Finish your run, and grab some sky. Brewsters aren't fast under their own power but they can build up a GOOD head of steam in a dive. They just can't hold onto it nearly as well as the F4U. You probably gave him a nice, long vertical drop onto your six. Your best move would have been to start back up as soon as you finished your first attack, and pick him up QUICKLY. I especially like to cut back into a diving opponent, forcing him to either break off or steepen his dive, which makes it harder for him to pull out on the bottom end without burning as much E. They key is, your -4 will hold on to that 500mph longer in the vertical than that Brewster, especially if you force him to maneuver.

Also, with lag, 800yds on your end usually means 600-650yds on his end.

[CAP1]

Also, with lag, 800yds on your end usually means 600-650yds on his end.

i know i'm gonna regret this.......

even if it means 600 to 650 on his end, i though it was what your computer sees that's important?

[grizz441]

i know i'm gonna regret this.......

even if it means 600 to 650 on his end, i though it was what your computer sees that's important?

Well yeah, if he sees you at 650 yds and he hits you at that range, it sends the data to your end and you see a 800+yd shot.

Same thing with 1000yd shots.  They are actually 800 yd shots.

[CAP1]

Well yeah, if he sees you at 650 yds and he hits you at that range, it sends the data to your end and you see a 800+yd shot.

Same thing with 1000yd shots.  They are actually 800 yd shots.

aahh!!

that explains how that friggin goofball(and he was a SERIOUS goofball) in the b-17's hit me from 1k(with me going away) a couple of weeks ago.

in his case, it was fun flying circles above him, watching him empty out his top turret from 2k. 

[prono]

How fast do I have to dive to outrun the bullets?

More than 1984 mph for .50 M2 Browning

[Agent360]

Here's a Yogism of wisdom:

Slower planes can catch faster planes if they are faster.

Also, planes that are a long way off can kill you if they're closer.

 
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