indestructible Tiger

[FLOTSOM]

As the chart is on the 303rd BG web site I would say it is military.
http://www.303rdbg.com/bombs.html

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As can be seen there is no changeable nose piece on the AN-M65 GP bomb. The SAP was the AN-M59 and the AP was the AN-Mk33.

In the late 30's, US bombs larger than 100lbs were required to penetrate a 1 foot layer of concrete which was placed on top of 2 feet of gravel. This was a strength test of the bomb casing to ensure that the bomb could penetrate the concrete without breaking up or deforming excessively.

nice research

well then it must be assumed that different reports and charts are contradictory in their understanding of the aplication of specific types of munitions.

but keep in mind that cracking stone still is a much different animal than the cracking of steel.

so alas i feel we must agree to disagree on this issue, until that is someone with enough clout that no one can dispute them writes an absolute and conprehensive book on the many purposes of the bombs deployed and why they were used for specific purposes. then we shall all agree and live in peace and harmony, in the middle of a pretend war where we all hope to kill each other  

[321BAR]

you know. ive had 1000lbers, 500lbers,250s, and 100s all drop directly on my head in a tiger and ive done the same to enemy tigers. its not uncommon in the game for them not to kill the tigers even with the 1000s. i was able to drive a tiger through 3 1ks an A20s full ord loadout, kill 23 tanks, and start a long RTB run to the 5k marker when finally after 20k-25k lbs of ordinance was dropped on or around me i was killed by an enemy tiger. i wish i kept the darn video for it...

[Rich46yo]

Best way to Kill Tigers is with the 37s of the IL2. Drop down on them as verticle as you can, aim for the thin spots in the tanks top armor.
Here you see me aiming for the thin plates around the turret. Starting in the rear.

Then moving up.

And I slowly move up to the frontal plates.


In all maybe 4 to 6 hits needed at point blank range, 200 to 300 away. Even these pics arent verticle enough for me but they are all I have.

Generally the Tiger is more protected against the 'near hits" of bombs that kill so many lesser tanks. I never bomb them tho so this is all from what Ive noticed.

[321BAR]

rich, that has nothing to do with the fact that tigers somehow get away without a scratch from all sizes of bombs in the game at the moment on occasions

[Rich46yo]

rich, that has nothing to do with the fact that tigers somehow get away without a scratch from all sizes of bombs in the game at the moment on occasions

Do you have film to show us of the hits with heavy bombs that dont take out Tigers?

My pictures ARE relevant because they show conclusively what 37mm cannon do. And if a puny airborne cannon can do that then why wouldn't a 1,000 lb bomb?

The thing is we are all spoiled by the 'blast radius" kills we get on tanks in Aces High. Ive done it, and watched it, many times what even small bombs could do to medium tanks when you hit close with them and no doubt the bombers are thinking they dropped right on the tank when in fact they didn't. Whether thru pilot error , or lag, they just didnt hit the Tiger.

The Tiger is a different animal. It was a heavy tank with tremendous front and side plate made from steel that was probably the best steel ever put on a tank in WW2. The trade off is top sections had to be thinner which is why they are at such risk from IL2s. But unless you drop a big bomb right on a Tiger you probably aren't going to get the blast kill you would get with a lesser tank. Again unless you have film then thats the only explanation I can come up with based on what Ive seen in game.

[Lusche]

The thing is we are all spoiled by the 'blast radius" kills we get on tanks in Aces High. Ive done it, and watched it, many times what even small bombs could do to medium tanks when you hit close with them and no doubt the bombers are thinking they dropped right on the tank when in fact they didn't. Whether thru pilot error , or lag, they just didnt hit the Tiger.

Just as in shooting, for the bomb dropping pilot, lag plays no role. The bomb lands inb relation to the enemy Tiger wherever he does see it land.
Lag can only have an influence on the Tiger driver's perception of where the bomb did land.

[grumpy37]

i sent in a film once showing the bomb landing right next to a tiger.  Skuzzy told me i missed by 2 feet.........  We all have to remember one thing, its a GAME not real life as much as we would like it to be.

[321BAR]

i sent in a film once showing the bomb landing right next to a tiger.  Skuzzy told me i missed by 2 feet.........  We all have to remember one thing, its a GAME not real life as much as we would like it to be.

time for another wishlist thread for the heavy bomb blast throwing tanks again!

[grumpy37]

now that would be cool....

[Yeager]

There is a fellow in MW when he ups a TIGER no one can kill the damned thing.  One evening he ended up stranded at a field we just captured and recieved a dozen hits with 500 pnders, near misses with several 1000 pnders (2 FEET).  half a dozen T34s right next to him delivering 25-30 AP rounds pointblank and all he gets is tracked.  Goes on to kill all the T34s, all the ack, the ammo, then exits out with a laugh lol.

Most other people would have popped like a putrid corpse on a hot day with all that metal coming down.  But this invincibility is pretty standard stuff with one individual.  Anyway, its just a game so we plug on down the line <S>

I have had a view that the armor game in AH was nowhere near the fidelity of the A2A game anyway, so it merely serves to amuse me.  Others understandably do get upset.

[Rich46yo]

Well if there is any other dynamic at work I'd like to see it. Any Tiger like that I see would get reported.

Then again Ive been gone so long maybe there have been some changes. I havnt dropped on a Tiger yet, "havnt seen one". Interesting thread.

[whiteman]

I have had this happen to me in the past were my Tiger was on a slope & a bomb fell near by & I ended up in the crater & partially underground & I just flat could not be killed. Granted I could not move either. I think it is a glitch that happens from time to time. Seen it happen with others & it has happened to me.

i was going to say i remember this a few years ago. it was probably you that we were laughing at, well actually at the idiots that kept dropping bombs on you.

[iwomba]

There is a fellow in MW when he ups a TIGER no one can kill the damned thing.  One evening he ended up stranded at a field we just captured and recieved a dozen hits with 500 pnders, near misses with several 1000 pnders (2 FEET).  half a dozen T34s right next to him delivering 25-30 AP rounds pointblank and all he gets is tracked.  Goes on to kill all the T34s, all the ack, the ammo, then exits out with a laugh lol.

Most other people would have popped like a putrid corpse on a hot day with all that metal coming down.  But this invincibility is pretty standard stuff with one individual.  Anyway, its just a game so we plug on down the line <S>

I have had a view that the armor game in AH was nowhere near the fidelity of the A2A game anyway, so it merely serves to amuse me.  Others understandably do get upset.

Sounds like the old Tiger from AH1

Some days I will up a Tiger & get killed just from the rushing air from a passing egg. Other days it seems I get lucky & get a Tiger that is near impossible to kill.

It is just one of those things that happen & cannot always be explained.

I was in a panzer not so long ago & an egg fell nearby & actually flipped me onto my roof. In 10 years of playing I have never seen or heard of that before.

But like the post above if I run into the few individuals who are almost impossible to kill I will just go somewhere else as I cannot be bothered with the bs.

Perhaps HTC has put in a random tiger sequence where you get 1 really good tiger for every 10 or so you up.

[redcatcherb412]

I gave up trying to kill tigers in a gv. Now I just track them with some HE and let the planes deal with it while keeping the Tiger from getting resupplied. 

[321BAR]

I gave up trying to kill tigers in a gv. Now I just track them with some HE and let the planes deal with it while keeping the Tiger from getting resupplied. 

flank it? tigers are not invincible. all you need to do is get to cover and slowly flank it until youre on its six. from there you shoot a round in its butt and he goes boom