Pick discussion

[Wiley]

So...  Let me see if I understand this thread correctly.  To be a good AH citizen and not be a dirty stealer or picker, one must:

-Never engage an enemy that's fighting a friendly without asking the friendly if he's alright.  If he says he is, you must ignore his bandit until their fight has been decided one way or the other, regardless of how many other bandits there may be in the area, regardless of the situation.
-Never come into a furball at alt.  Starting from advantage is for the weak, and must be given up before engaging the enemy in honorable combat.
-Never keep a plane that's designed to be flown fast fast in a furball.  Flying to your airframe's advantages is wrong, you must get low and slow regardless of what you're in to be a good person.
-Never wing up with people.  Multiple plane tactics are just not fair, and should not be used.
-In fact, people should probably just stop flying in furballs altogether.  Everybody should just pair up and go to their own section of map for honorable duels.

Does that about sum it up? 

Wiley.

[Slate]

  My bombers get picked all the time, I don't understand it?    It's all a matter of perspective.
      
       Lose a head on, "you ho bag".
      Bombed in a GV "Bomb Tard".
      Target fixated, "Nice Pick turd".

  It's my duty to supply kills for the community.  

  Besides some are just natural pickers.......

[lowZX14]

Sorry but I couldn't resist and had to use this.



Please continue with your pick discussion.

[Letalis]

So...  Let me see if I understand this thread correctly.  To be a good AH citizen and not be a dirty stealer or picker, one must:

-Never engage an enemy that's fighting a friendly without asking the friendly if he's alright.  If he says he is, you must ignore his bandit until their fight has been decided one way or the other, regardless of how many other bandits there may be in the area, regardless of the situation.
-Never come into a furball at alt.  Starting from advantage is for the weak, and must be given up before engaging the enemy in honorable combat.
-Never keep a plane that's designed to be flown fast fast in a furball.  Flying to your airframe's advantages is wrong, you must get low and slow regardless of what you're in to be a good person.
-Never wing up with people.  Multiple plane tactics are just not fair, and should not be used.
-In fact, people should probably just stop flying in furballs altogether.  Everybody should just pair up and go to their own section of map for honorable duels.

Does that about sum it up? 

Wiley.

-Personally you pretty much hit the nail on the head, but run it by Dedalos for official ratification
-I noticed you've been a subscriber for less than 5 yrs and thus incapable of coherence, hence thou art scum. Such attitudes do wonders for the game...

[Shuffler]

So...  Let me see if I understand this thread correctly.  To be a good AH citizen and not be a dirty stealer or picker, one must:

-Never engage an enemy that's fighting a friendly without asking the friendly if he's alright.  If he says he is, you must ignore his bandit until their fight has been decided one way or the other, regardless of how many other bandits there may be in the area, regardless of the situation.
-Never come into a furball at alt.  Starting from advantage is for the weak, and must be given up before engaging the enemy in honorable combat.
-Never keep a plane that's designed to be flown fast fast in a furball.  Flying to your airframe's advantages is wrong, you must get low and slow regardless of what you're in to be a good person.
-Never wing up with people.  Multiple plane tactics are just not fair, and should not be used.
-In fact, people should probably just stop flying in furballs altogether.  Everybody should just pair up and go to their own section of map for honorable duels.

Does that about sum it up? 

Wiley.

Sums up the fact that you don't get it.

[321BAR]

Sums up the fact that you don't get it.

sums up the fact that who cares about picking? if you get picked you had bad SA or bad ACM. you get ho'd, means you chose to do what your enemy was going to do. you see a head on and dont fire, means youre being dumb and risking your death. FORGET hos and picks, just have fun...

[kilo2]

All I got from the later posts is:  I can't handle my self, so I pick and hope some one else picks who ever is on me.  If those two don;t happen, I am dead    Ohhh, and if I pick you, its your fault for not being at 30K in a D9.  These attitudes are doing wonders for this game, but I am glad some new guys are explaining to us that our SA sucks when we take on 2 or 3 guys at a time 

You got hit the nail right on the head. Man whew I am glad you posted that really opens my eyes. It is just SO insightful.

[Wiley]

Sums up the fact that you don't get it.

Oh, please do help me get it.  Where are the limits?  If I'm co-alt with a couple guys having it out in a 1v1 with a half-dozen bandits below us climbing like mad in different directions, am I to dive under the 1v1 to go after one of the others, and trust the high bandit not to take a run at me because he's engaged in a 1v1?  Or should I help the guy kill the high bandit so we are both in position to go after the rest of the group?

Oh wait...  So I'm supposed to ask if he's ok.  If he answers yes, I'm supposed to leave his bandit alone, move away from his 1v1, and find another fight.  Or, am I supposed to dive under his fight and trust his bandit to leave me be, because that happens all the time in the MA?

Ok, maybe that's not so taxing.  What if there are three pairs engaged in 1v1s above the mass of bandits?  What if one of them wants help, but the others don't?  Are you seriously expecting every person that comes into an area ask every engaged person if they're alright, then keep track of who's wanting help and who isn't?

Hmm...  Maybe it's the justification I need for that second monitor to have an Excel window open in so I can keep track of who's expecting help and who isn't in the furball...

I need answers from all you wise people who know how everybody should be playing.

Wiley.

[321BAR]

Oh, please do help me get it.  Where are the limits?  If I'm co-alt with a couple guys having it out in a 1v1 with a half-dozen bandits below us climbing like mad in different directions, am I to dive under the 1v1 to go after one of the others, and trust the high bandit not to take a run at me because he's engaged in a 1v1?  Or should I help the guy kill the high bandit so we are both in position to go after the rest of the group?

Oh wait...  So I'm supposed to ask if he's ok.  If he answers yes, I'm supposed to leave his bandit alone, move away from his 1v1, and find another fight.  Or, am I supposed to dive under his fight and trust his bandit to leave me be, because that happens all the time in the MA?

Ok, maybe that's not so taxing.  What if there are three pairs engaged in 1v1s above the mass of bandits?  What if one of them wants help, but the others don't?  Are you seriously expecting every person that comes into an area ask every engaged person if they're alright, then keep track of who's wanting help and who isn't?

Hmm...  Maybe it's the justification I need for that second monitor to have an Excel window open in so I can keep track of who's expecting help and who isn't in the furball...

I need answers from all you wise people who know how everybody should be playing.

Wiley.

[grizz441]

So...  Let me see if I understand this thread correctly.  To be a good AH citizen and not be a dirty stealer or picker, one must:

-Never engage an enemy that's fighting a friendly without asking the friendly if he's alright.  If he says he is, you must ignore his bandit until their fight has been decided one way or the other, regardless of how many other bandits there may be in the area, regardless of the situation.
-Never come into a furball at alt.  Starting from advantage is for the weak, and must be given up before engaging the enemy in honorable combat.
-Never keep a plane that's designed to be flown fast fast in a furball.  Flying to your airframe's advantages is wrong, you must get low and slow regardless of what you're in to be a good person.
-Never wing up with people.  Multiple plane tactics are just not fair, and should not be used.
-In fact, people should probably just stop flying in furballs altogether.  Everybody should just pair up and go to their own section of map for honorable duels.

Does that about sum it up? 

Wiley.

  Exactly sir!

Sums up the fact that you don't get it.

Here how I have come to be as a player of this game since I started in regards to this:

1.  Didn't know that I didn't "get it."
2.  Started to realize that I didn't "get it."
3.  Pretended to "get it", and attempted to "get it" by performing the actions of those who did "get it".
4.  Didn't have fun "getting it".
5.  Realized that "getting it" isn't actually getting anything at all other than being killed endlessly by newbs, which is not fun.
6.  Decided that "getting it" is doing whatever you want to have fun.
7.  Learned personally, that "getting it" is killing as many bad guys as I can without being killed by them.

[321BAR]

Exactly sir!

Here how I have come to be as a player of this game since I started in regards to this:

1.  Didn't know that I didn't "get it."
2.  Started to realize that I didn't "get it."
3.  Pretended to "get it", and attempted to "get it" by performing the actions of those who did "get it".
4.  Didn't have fun "getting it".
5.  Realized that "getting it" isn't actually getting anything at all other than being killed endlessly by newbs, which is not fun.
6.  Decided that "getting it" is doing whatever you want to have fun.
7.  Learned personally, that "getting it" is killing as many bad guys as I can without being killed by them.

this is a game of war. kill or be killed. although with the exception of letting a con fly home hurt, everything is fair game and expect to receive the same

[grizz441]

although with the exception of letting a con fly home hurt, everything is fair game and expect to receive the same

Why? Because he has a wife and kids back at his cartoon home?  

Kill them all!  Wounded birds are easy targets, so are jeeps and hikers.

[Wiley]

this is a game of war. kill or be killed. although with the exception of letting a con fly home hurt, everything is fair game and expect to receive the same

Why does that get special exemption?  I mean, if I'm in a good mood and it was a particularly good fight, sure I'll let the guy go, but why should that be expected?  What if his wounds came from HOing 4 of your buddies?  Does he get to go home and feel good about his leet flying skills?

Or, my personal favorite, 'I took off with 25% fuel so I'd be at minimum weight to maximize my maneuverability.  You have to let me go home when I'm low fuel to land!  It's fairsies!

Wiley.

[SunBat]

Hmm...  Maybe it's the justification I need for that second monitor to have an Excel window open in so I can keep track of who's expecting help and who isn't in the furball...

 

If you look at Corky's screenshot on page 8 you will notice a laptop on his rear dash.... 

[FLOTSOM]

well wiley i tell you what, you are free to boom in and pick my opponent in a 1v1 without so much as a by your leave and i am free to make it a point to hound you for the rest of the night.

ever tried to shoot at someone when a friendly makes it a point to spend all his time blocking your shots? booming in between you and your intended victim just as your firing can be rather comical......well not for you, but for me and every person that gets your proxies its a hell of a laugh! especially when i keep claiming your kill on 200.

kill shooter can be such a useful tool when trying to teach countrymen a lesson.

and in case you are doubting my willingness to be that dweebish, i have done this before to killstealing A&#*Y^&S who cant mind their own business. so if you wanna say its my $15.00 and ill play as i chose....well remember i pay my $15.00, too and i can play as i want to also.

oh, and by the by those scenarios you described above, well they all sound like it was a furball likely from a base attack/defence going on and the pick you chose to take from your perch was in the middle alt of it. now as i recall everyone thus far agrees that in a the mix of a furball base attack/defence then all is fair.

in case you were describing multiple individuals flying and fighting and minding their own business having fun......well ain't you just the greatest team player by butting in and jacking kills from those who put in the work without asking or being asked by the people who are having fun. how rude of them to be having fun without you! without even inviting you!!!!!

All Ded and others have asked for is some respect and common courtesy from others, and have explained their own personal standards of play. if you chose to play in a different manner then that is your choice to make, do as you want. but dont be surprised when people who have played this game for a long time regard you as a tard and ignore your presence when you are near them in the MA's.