First World War officially ends

[Masherbrum]

[Shuffler]

You CAD you 

[Furball]

It is a spelling mistake. If you can't seem to bypass such inconsequential errors, you're not up to the demands of any sort of useful opinion on this subject.

So... you can spell inconsequential, but repeatedly spell Britain, 'Britian' apart from when you copy/paste from elsewhere...  

I don't mean to be an arse, I just have a pet hate for it.

[Ack-Ack]

Woodrow Wilson almost single handled caused the rise of Hitler and WWII with this Treaty of Versailles and his League of Nations. Had Wilson not entered WWI and up set the balance of power. All sides would have ran out of steam and had an armistice by 1919. Everyone would have gone home and history would have went another way. What Woodrow Wilson did in WWI caused not only WWII but the cold war the Korean war the Vietnam war and about any thing else related to the rise of Fascism and Communism world wide including here is the USA. Not just the Germans got screwed by Wilson and his progressive agenda at Versailles France  in 1919, we all did.

You do know that the US was not part of the League of Nations, correct?  You also know that Germany pretty much forced the hand of the US to enter the war when Germany tried to enlist Mexico to declare war on the US and invade, correct?  You also know that out of the 3 major Allied powers, the US actually was the one (and to a certain extent Britain) that took a more conciliatory view toward the issue of German reparations while France wanted her pound of flesh from Germany.  You also know that Wilson's "14 Points" formed the basis for the terms of Germany's surrender as negotiated at the Paris Peace Conference and that the Treaty of Versaille had little to do with the "14 Points" that the treaty was never ratified by the US Senate, correct?


ack-ack

[SEseph]

So... you can spell inconsequential, but repeatedly spell Britain, 'Britian' apart from when you copy/paste from elsewhere...  

I don't mean to be an arse, I just have a pet hate for it.

I also reverse the i and e in their. I have no idea how to spell half the words I know. That is why god created Spell Check But how and why it misspelled or just didn't catch it.... is beyond me.  

[Traveler]

 

The First World War will officially end on Sunday, 92 years after the guns fell silent, when Germany pays off the last chunk of reparations imposed on it by the Allies.



- so I was told by my history professor....



opposum

Actually the original OP is correct.  The final installment (100 Million) will be paid October 6, 2010.  The rise of Hitler and the main contribution to WWII was in fact the Treaty of Versailles, ratified on June 28, 1919 and the Great Depression of 1929 – 1939 cause the populist movement of the Socialist Party  in Germany and placed Hitler in a position of great power.  The reparation payments  were suspended by Germany from 1921 through the end of WWII and were re-imposed as part of the Marshal plan.  The cause of the delay was not because of a 92 year agreement, but by agreement Germany did not have to make payments until Germany was once again unified as one nation. 

You can thank Ronald Reagan.

[SEseph]

Traveler, you seem knowledgeable on this.. how.. why  would anyone let Germany stop the payments in 1921? As for the rest of the halts in payments, very insightful. 

[Pigslilspaz]

You do know that the US was not part of the League of Nations, correct?  You also know that Germany pretty much forced the hand of the US to enter the war when Germany tried to enlist Mexico to declare war on the US and invade, correct?  You also know that out of the 3 major Allied powers, the US actually was the one (and to a certain extent Britain) that took a more conciliatory view toward the issue of German reparations while France wanted her pound of flesh from Germany.  You also know that Wilson's "14 Points" formed the basis for the terms of Germany's surrender as negotiated at the Paris Peace Conference and that the Treaty of Versaille had little to do with the "14 Points" that the treaty was never ratified by the US Senate, correct?


ack-ack

Don't  give in, he obviously doesn't know what he is talking about.

[R 105]

The US did not sign with the league of nations but Wilson signed it himself. As for the Zimmerman letter to Mexico it in all likely hood was a fraud. British intelligence was behind it to get America into the war Churchill said as much in the 50s. Wilson wanted in it anyway. If you want to learn about Woodrow Wilson the real Wilson and not what is written by the far left progressives. I will post some books later. Germany and the Nazi's in the 1920s and 30s used the Wilson's administration as a model for propaganda as did Russia. Lucky for America Wilson died before he could cause more damage.

[Traveler]

Traveler, you seem knowledgeable on this.. how.. why  would anyone let Germany stop the payments in 1921? As for the rest of the halts in payments, very insightful. 

simple, Germany had no economy, no money, You can't get what isn't there.  Because of the Treaty of Versailles and it's terms, Germany found it impossible to get back on it's feet.  Because of the terms of the treaty Germany had no growing industry base.  While other nations moved ahead Germany was left behind and was faced with making huges payments.   

[SEseph]

simple, Germany had no economy, no money, You can't get what isn't there.  Because of the Treaty of Versailles and it's terms, Germany found it impossible to get back on it's feet.  Because of the terms of the treaty Germany had no growing industry base.  While other nations moved ahead Germany was left behind and was faced with making huges payments.   

I think you misunderstood what I wanted. You said Germany suspended them in 1921. That's like signing a cease fire and continuing the fight after a few years and the other side lets you without protest (Hello N. Korea). You also said it lasted through the end of WWII meaning that as the rest of Europe watched her grow in Military power, they ignored the fact that she owed the huge restitution payments. If this is the case, then one could also argue, while devastating, the treaty of Versailles apparently had no teeth, so wasn't as significant in the starting of WWII as thought.. If 2 years after it's inception, it couldn't control a nation devastated by war, what makes anyone think it could restrain Germany for any length of time?

I might be missing something, but these were the questions in my head and the reasoning behind them in short.

[Masherbrum]

simple, Germany had no economy, no money, You can't get what isn't there.  Because of the Treaty of Versailles and it's terms, Germany found it impossible to get back on it's feet.  Because of the terms of the treaty Germany had no growing industry base.  While other nations moved ahead Germany was left behind and was faced with making huges payments.   

QFT.   This is why.   No "theories" needed.   

[druski85]

Correlation =/= causation.  Any history prof worth a damn should be the first to teach this.

It's the economy, stupid.     (That's a quote, not a personal attack)

[zack1234]

In regards to Britain losing all it's colonies is not true, I have them in a box under my bed
 
Where's our tea?

[Traveler]

simple, Germany had no economy, no money, You can't get what isn't there.  Because of the Treaty of Versailles and it's terms, Germany found it impossible to get back on it's feet.  Because of the terms of the treaty Germany had no growing industry base.  While other nations moved ahead Germany was left behind and was faced with making huges payments.   

Add to that the Great Depression, It was a world wide event.  Every nation was faced with mass unemployment.  Hitler’s rise to power and the many out right lies that he made in the name of peace.  
The Treaty of Versailles was in effect a punishment preventing many German soldiers from finding jobs, where as the Marshal Plan put Germany back to work. It established an post war economy that provided the foundation for posterity.  It was never expected that Germany would remain divided for so long.  The Marshal Plan envisioned a  unified Germany before 1950.  The USSR changed all  that.  Until Germany was unified, it was not required to pay anything.  “Tear down this wall” was the start.  The plan called for the payments for WWI and WWII.  That last payment was made this week.