you noobs still havent figured out yet that the "plane" on your 6 dont matter...:-) someone said they fly a 51-b and they worry about a spit-16...every fighter in the damn hanger can easily kill any plane if they are on the 6 of said plane, the idea is to not let any plane on your 6, and there are many, many, sticks that dont need to get on your 6 to kill you, my first 4 years I was all about saddling someone to get the kill, Grizz was pivitle in showing me that its all about angles, saddling someone, takes too long and allows other nme to pick ya while you are trying to saddle someone, if you learn the angles, the guy you are trying to kill will be dead long before you fully saddle him, which allows you to be ready for the next in line that much quicker. so I resay dont worry about the "plane" worry about "who" now obviously you need full working knowledge of all the planes capabilities.