Angela Merkel

[CAP1]

Well obviously you don't believe they came here to work, but I guess your short term memory is as quality as your logic.

ok, i'll rephrase.......if they were here to work and contribute responsibly like the rest of us, then they would come legally.

 they only want the money, with no responsibility. they want the free(to them) health care. the free(to them) welfare. the free(to them) disability.

 once again.....i have no problem whatsoever with those that come here legally....

[Ardy123]

ok, i'll rephrase.......if they were here to work and contribute responsibly like the rest of us, then they would come legally.

 they only want the money, with no responsibility. they want the free(to them) health care. the free(to them) welfare. the free(to them) disability.

 once again.....i have no problem whatsoever with those that come here legally....

I don't know what the availability for visas for Mexican/Central & South American  workers, but I do know that getting H1s for computer engineering work is troublesome at best. What I mean is that there demand for H1 workers is greater than the number of visa's the government is willing to give. Furthermore, large foreign outsourcing companies have been gaming the system for years by 'purchasing' H1 visas for their 'employees' which they never use in the intended way, for the sole purpose of reducing the supply so that US companies are forced to use them as an outsourcing firm instead of hire people directly. There was an Wall Street journal article about this last year, (I wonder if I can dig it up).

Clearly, the demand for foreign cheap labor in the US is what is driving them to come, so that demand must be reduced. Aggressively going after the supply is impractical as there are many more people in the world than the US can ever afford to keep out.  Going after the demand is the only affordable option. Going after Employers is challenging due to corruption, etc... The cheapest option is to make Mexico more attractive by encouraging business growth there. This could be largely funded by the private sector and would result in many gains for Americans, well beyond just immigration.

Angela's comments were based off of Germans wanting 1st gen non-Germans to integrate, not illegal immigration in the USA. To my knowledge her comments were not directed to illegals either, but rather towards, 'non-germans', legal and non-legal.

[CAP1]

I don't know what the availability for visas for Mexican/Central & South American  workers, but I do know that getting H1s for computer engineering work is troublesome at best. What I mean is that there demand for H1 workers is greater than the number of visa's the government is willing to give. Furthermore, large foreign outsourcing companies have been gaming the system for years by 'purchasing' H1 visas for their 'employees' which they never use in the intended way, for the sole purpose of reducing the supply so that US companies are forced to use them as an outsourcing firm instead of hire people directly. There was an Wall Street journal article about this last year, (I wonder if I can dig it up).

Clearly, the demand for foreign cheap labor in the US is what is driving them to come, so that demand must be reduced. Aggressively going after the supply is impractical as there are many more people in the world than the US can ever afford to keep out.  Going after the demand is the only affordable option. Going after Employers is challenging due to corruption, etc... The cheapest option is to make Mexico more attractive by encouraging business growth there. This could be largely funded by the private sector and would result in many gains for Americans, well beyond just immigration.

it is not a demand for cheap labor. it is employers being cheap. they'll use the cheaper labor, and hold onto the extra profits. or they will use the cheaper labor, and if they need to undercut the other guy, they can/will.

 i used to have a landscaper as a customer. he has a half dozen illegals working for him. he also is one of the most expensive landscapers in the area. more expensive in fact than the one owned by another customers son....who coincidentally employs teenagers and young men.
 
 i'm friends with a german girl that worked her bellybutton off to be here legally. she makes good money now. she almost gave up, but the company she works for, and a few of us kept her spirits up.

 there is no excuse. you cannot possibly come up with a good reasonable answer as to why the rest of us should accept illegals being illegal, and breaking the law every second of every minute of every hour of every day that they inhale on this soil.

[Ardy123]

i used to have a landscaper as a customer. he has a half dozen illegals working for him. he also is one of the most expensive landscapers in the area. more expensive in fact than the one owned by another customers son....who coincidentally employs teenagers and young men.

Did you report them to the INS?

[Perrine]

Angela's comments were based off of Germans wanting 1st gen non-Germans to integrate, not illegal immigration in the USA. To my knowledge her comments were not directed to illegals either, but rather towards, 'non-germans', legal and non-legal.

European model in several countries failed on the 'integration' part.
The reason the US and Canada have done a bit better is that *most* immigrants understand they're leaving behind things that made their origination suck. Immigration is an opportunity to keep the good stuff and toss the bad stuff. Naturally, it is a rocky process.

[Perrine]

Did you report them to the INS?

This may be a wild guess but I think new jersey has sanctuary laws

[CAP1]

Did you report them to the INS?

of course. to the best of my knowledge, the only thing that happened is that i lost a customer..........dunno how he found out i reported em......but there is an office less then 3 miles from my shop.

[CAP1]

This may be a wild guess but I think new jersey has sanctuary laws and you can't report

oohh....we can report.......the big question is whether or not those in position to act will. they didn't.

[Motherland]

There's a world of difference between European immigration problems and American immigration problems.

While American immigration problems are primarily economic and center around illegal immigration, the main issue with European immigration is cultural, although there do exist concerns due to the massive welfare states of most European countries. Europeans are simply not used to the concept of extremely foreign cultures- even among Europeans, consider, there have been only in the last 20 years or so massive sectarian and ethnic conflicts (Yugoslav wars, continuing Northern Ireland BS come to mind). Large populations of immigrants from the Middle East; people who don't speak anywhere near the same language, don't follow anywhere near the same religion, and aren't exactly running with open arms to convert and lose their own culture. Also, most European immigrants are legal- Germany became a beacon for Turkish immigration with the Gastarbeiter program of the 70's, for example, and Sweden has a large problem because of their lax definitions for refugee status, and France has a lot of immigration from its former colonies, etc. (that's not to say that there are no illegal immigrants in Europe, Italy, France and Britain in particular have issues with illegal immigrants from the Middle East and North Africa).
It's just impossible to compare.

[Treize69]

Ok, I've read most of this, but I have to admit I must have missed something, and I apologize if it's already explained earlier in the thread, but I'm not now willing to sort back through 5 pages to find out...

WHO THE F IS ANGELA MERKEL, AND WHY DOES ANYONE CARE?!?

[Motherland]

WHO THE F IS ANGELA MERKEL, AND WHY DOES ANYONE CARE?!?

Angela Merkel is the Chancellor of the economic heart of Europe.

[Ardy123]

Ok, I've read most of this, but I have to admit I must have missed something, and I apologize if it's already explained earlier in the thread, but I'm not now willing to sort back through 5 pages to find out...

WHO THE F IS ANGELA MERKEL, AND WHY DOES ANYONE CARE?!?

Because she is the Chancellor of Germany.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Merkel

[Treize69]

Ah, ok. I'm so desensitized to anything anyone in or seeking office says this political season that I automatically tune out anything they say at this point. I apologize for not knowing what I should have. My bad (and I'm not being sarcastic, I feel like a moron now). 

[Motherland]

Because Germany is, the shining exampled for tolerance................

Flying their flag can be considered nationalism in Germany nowadays, they've been extremely PC since WWII.

[Scherf]

And, for many years, it was part of the (then) West-German constitution that they *had* to accept refugees. Rock up at the airport, claim to be a refugee, come on in. When the Osties were *perturbed* (don't auto-skuzzify me!) with the Westies, they used to fill Tupolevs with all manner of their friends from the earth's assorted *areas of social upheaval* and dump them at a U-Bahn train station, next stop Social Benefitz.

So yeah, the Germans know something about tolerance.