Angela Merkel

[Vudak]

I don't mind hard workers, period.  As far as I'm concerned, there are plenty of people here illegally that contribute a heck of a lot more than those with the birthright.

[CAP1]

I don't mind hard workers, period.  As far as I'm concerned, there are plenty of people here illegally that contribute a heck of a lot more than those with the birthright.

what do they contribute?

[VonMessa]

what do they contribute?

A headache when it is time to re-evaluate my tax obligation (of which they do not share the burdon with me)

[CAP1]

A headache when it is time to re-evaluate my tax obligation (of which they do not share the burdon with me)

shush you!!

i wanted to hear/see what these "idealists" if that;s the right word....had to say. 

[VonMessa]

shush you!!

i wanted to hear/see what these "idealists" if that;s the right word....had to say. 

 

[CAP1]

 

have you noticed the deafening silence? 

[Perrine]

what do they contribute?

keep SS and medicare solvent for the birthright? (as oneway said)

and from The Times (2005)

According to an article in The New York Times, the estimated 7 million illegal immigrants in the United States are adding $7 billion to the Social Security system each year. . . . working and paying into Social Security and Medicare, but since they are not citizens, they cannot benefit from the programs once retired.

And the amount is very substantial:

The money contributed by “illegal immigrants” added up to about 10 percent of last year’s surplus — the difference between what the system currently receives in payroll taxes and what it gives out in pension benefits. What’s even more interesting is that the money paid by illegal workers and their employers is factored into all of the Social Security Administration’s projections.

[CAP1]

keep SS and medicare solvent for the birthright? (as oneway said)

and from The Times (2005)

According to an article in The New York Times, the estimated 7 million illegal immigrants in the United States are adding $7 billion to the Social Security system each year. . . . working and paying into Social Security and Medicare, but since they are not citizens, they cannot benefit from the programs once retired.

And the amount is very substantial:

The money contributed by “illegal immigrants” added up to about 10 percent of last year’s surplus — the difference between what the system currently receives in payroll taxes and what it gives out in pension benefits. What’s even more interesting is that the money paid by illegal workers and their employers is factored into all of the Social Security Administration’s projections.

this would be all well and fine, except that the majority of them work for cash. when they work for cash, there will be no contribution to the system. if their employer does take taxes out of their pay, at that point, you can bet he's keeping it. this of course is just another reason to send the employers of illegals straight to jail.
 top that off with some of them living with 4, 5 or more of them in a single apartment.

 now, granted, some of them do do the stolen ss number thing......that has it's own set of complications.

 also....imagine those illegals gone....and unemployed legals taking those jobs. and don't try the "they take jobs no one wants" line......it doesn't wash.

[Vudak]

what do they contribute?

Uh, they contribute a hard day's work and get things done?

What do the kids from the Jersey Shore contribute?

Don't use too wide a brush...

[Perrine]

Uh, they contribute a hard day's work and get things done?

What do the kids from the Jersey Shore contribute?

good entertainment with the highest ratings for a cable show 

[CAP1]

Uh, they contribute a hard day's work and get things done?

What do the kids from the Jersey Shore contribute?

Don't use too wide a brush...

the real kids that live down there for real do the same. the ones you see on tv aren't what is here.....

and how can i not use a wide brush on illegals? they are after all criminals.

[Vudak]

 also....imagine those illegals gone....and unemployed legals taking those jobs. and don't try the "they take jobs no one wants" line......it doesn't wash.

It's not that hard to find "a" job...  The pain is finding one that is suitable to your situation (be it salary requirements, location, hours, or something else).

Besides, there's nothing stopping unemployed legals from taking the jobs back right now...  They just need to be willing to work harder, better, and longer (they're so superior - this should be easy, right?).  People aren't willing to do this.  It is a job they don't want.  The argument absolutely does wash.

[guncrasher]

this would be all well and fine, except that the majority of them work for cash. when they work for cash, there will be no contribution to the system. if their employer does take taxes out of their pay, at that point, you can bet he's keeping it. this of course is just another reason to send the employers of illegals straight to jail.
 top that off with some of them living with 4, 5 or more of them in a single apartment.

 now, granted, some of them do do the stolen ss number thing......that has it's own set of complications.

 also....imagine those illegals gone....and unemployed legals taking those jobs. and don't try the "they take jobs no one wants" line......it doesn't wash.

really hate to tell you, but most do pay income taxes, why do you think they need stolen ss? and dont forget sales tax, and how many non illegals you think will be lining up to work on the fields for 3-4 bucks an hour.  of course we have long lines of citizens lining up to get jobs at carwashes, restaurants, etc.  gee mom when i grow up i want to work as a busboy for less then minimum wage and wont collect a dime of ss  .

semp

[CAP1]

really hate to tell you, but most do pay income taxes, why do you think they need stolen ss? and dont forget sales tax, and how many non illegals you think will be lining up to work on the fields for 3-4 bucks an hour.  of course we have long lines of citizens lining up to get jobs at carwashes, restaurants, etc.  gee mom when i grow up i want to work as a busboy for less then minimum wage and wont collect a dime of ss  .

semp

you do realize you just made my argument, right.

3 or 4 bucks an hour? 

[CAP1]

It's not that hard to find "a" job...  The pain is finding one that is suitable to your situation (be it salary requirements, location, hours, or something else).

Besides, there's nothing stopping unemployed legals from taking the jobs back right now...  They just need to be willing to work harder, better, and longer (they're so superior - this should be easy, right?).  People aren't willing to do this.  It is a job they don't want.  The argument absolutely does wash.

if you are unemployed, and need a job, your "situation" is to find employment.

i'm a mechanic. when i've had to, i've driven tow trucks, delivered pizzas, delivered newspapers, cooked, washed dishes....whatever i had to do to keep money coming in.
 where the illegals hurt us, is that even IF you wanted to take a job washing dishes until you found a job in your field, you won't get it, 'cause jose is doing it for 3 to 4 bucks an hour, paying no taxes, and getting healthcare, compliments of you and me.

there is NO reason to allow them to continue here illegally. now on the other hand, if they want to come here legally, and work legally for the going rates, then i see/have no problems with that at all. i would/do in fact welcome that.