Angela Merkel

[CAP1]

Won't happen promptly as there are conflict of interests, it will disrupt some sectors of the economy and disrupt state economies (states where employers rely on 'informal' hiring, and states with diverse and dynamic economy to stay competitive)
As of now (and well in the future) there's no interest and will to enforce and uphold laws already in place.  For example, see California's rules by the book (see 834b) that's equal or equivalent to Arizona.  Also, it's unrealistic that (well let's say Los Angeles,CA for example) we will see high profile massive workplace raids in downtown's fashion and jewelry district.


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arizona doesn't seem to be having any trouble with all of the illegals leaving.

[Ardy123]

Won't happen promptly as there are conflict of interests, it will disrupt some sectors of the economy and disrupt state economies (states where employers rely on 'informal' hiring, and states with diverse and dynamic economy to stay competitive)
As of now (and well in the future) there's no interest and will to enforce and uphold laws already in place.  For example, see California's rules by the book (see 834b) that's equal or equivalent to Arizona.  Also, it's unrealistic that (well let's say Los Angeles,CA for example) we will see high profile massive workplace raids in downtown's fashion and jewelry district.



*edited to reflect an update to Perrine's comments*

That is very true, it would cause a massive disruption to the economy, as they are an integrated part of the economy today. Although I would prefer an level playing field and would be willing to pay higher prices for it, claiming that we need to go after illegal immigration seems to be a dishonest policy if we are unwilling to accept the consequences. If we need them to uphold our economy, then they should be allowed to be here legally, if we don't want the help, go after the people encouraging them to be here, if we just want cheap exploitive labor (black market labor force, aka illegal workers), well shame on us, we get what we deserve.

All this being said, I still believe that underneath, its not about employment, its about xenophobia, much like Germany's chancellors remarks.

[Perrine]

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[Perrine]

arizona doesn't seem to be having any trouble with all of the illegals leaving.

more like moving to greener pastures where employers (enablers) would welcome with open arms

another it's due to jobs drying up after the Sept/Oct 2008 fallout

[CAP1]

more like moving to greener pastures where employers (enablers) would welcome with open arms

they'll follow example.

[Ardy123]

arizona doesn't seem to be having any trouble with all of the illegals leaving.

Because Joe Arpaio has all the criminals filling in while feeding them moldy food and sawdust.... in his mind... "work will set you free"

[CAP1]

That is very true, it would cause a massive disruption to the economy, as they are an integrated part of the economy today. Although I would prefer an level playing field and would be willing to pay higher prices for it, claiming that we need to go after illegal immigration seems to be a dishonest policy if we are unwilling to accept the consequences. If we need them to uphold our economy, then they should be allowed to be here legally, if we don't want the help, go after the people encouraging them to be here, if we just want cheap exploitive labor (black market labor force, aka illegal workers), well shame on us, we get what we deserve.

All this being said, I still believe that underneath, its not about employment, its about xenophobia, much like Germany's chancellors remarks.

wanna fix the problem?"

follow this guys example.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s01-coop.html

[Vudak]

now i know you're trolling.

I most certainly am not.

I don't see how someone who claims to hate criminals would support a strategy that creates and funds them.

[Ardy123]

i already have said that i think that those that employ illegals should be in jail. i could go one step farther, and have everything that they own confiscated, much like what they do to drug dealers. 

would you have reacted this strongly if it was a US citizen that suffered the same lapse of poor judgment?

and that's about all i can say about that here, without getting myself the banstick from o absent one......although there are some very very ungood thought peculating in my head about punishment for sluts like her......

[CAP1]

Because Joe Arpaio has all the criminals filling in while feeding them moldy food and sawdust.... in his mind... "work will set you free"

which criminals? the ones trying to flee the state, or ones that they actually prosecuted?

[Perrine]

don't shoot me for this guys

http://articles.latimes.com/print/2010/oct/06/nation/la-na-illegal-immigration-20101007

[CAP1]

would you have reacted this strongly if it was a US citizen that suffered the same lapse of poor judgment?

so wait?(again) it's a lapse of poor judgment when someone thinks "hey....i know it's illegal to cross this river, and hide in that country, but they'll never catch me, so i will anyway" is poor judgment? or just cocky attitude of a criminal?

as for my reaction.......yes.

 i'll take it to an extreme here.

 if you come in my yard, and stab my visiting mother.......i don't care if you're american, mexican, german.....it doesn't matter....what does matter at that point, is that you would be better off to be found by the police before me.  

i know that's extreme........but those that are coming in legally are integrating into society. those that are not are simply hiding in plain sight.

[CAP1]

don't shoot me for this guys

http://articles.latimes.com/print/2010/oct/06/nation/la-na-illegal-immigration-20101007

eisenhower did better than that in the 50's.

[Ardy123]

so wait?(again) it's a lapse of poor judgment when someone thinks "hey....i know it's illegal to cross this river, and hide in that country, but they'll never catch me, so i will anyway" is poor judgment? or just cocky attitude of a criminal?

nope thats desperation.... and is not the reason you stated this...

there are some very very ungood thought peculating in my head about punishment for sluts like her......

as it that comment would make more 'sense' in context with her becoming pregnant, or are you implying you fantasize of doing 'some very very ungood actions as punishment' to all illegal immigrants... either way, which if you were to do, ironically would make you a criminal which you so claim to loathe.

What you have written clearly shows that you have no qualms about dehumanizing others.

[CAP1]

nope thats desperation.... and is not the reason you stated this...as it that comment would make more 'sense' in context with her becoming pregnant, or are you implying you fantasize of doing 'some very very ungood actions as punishment' to all illegal immigrants... either way, which if you were to do, ironically would make you a criminal which you so claim to loathe.

What you have written clearly shows that you have no qualms about dehumanizing others.

the bottom quote is the one you were asking what my reaction would be if she were a legal citizen? i believe she was. so yes.

 no, i do not fantasize about punishing anyone. the only thing i really think should be done to illegals, is to send them home. i don't wanna put em in jail, because i don't want to keep paying for them. send them home.
 if you read that link i put up, you'd have noted that when eisenhower did this, the way he did it, not many came back, as they do now. this is why i said to copy his methods.

 as for the 16 year old having 5 babies....there is absolutley no excuse in the world for that. maybe....possibly.......she didn't know the first time. i can't see how, but give her the benifit of the doubt.......by the time she hit #5 though? c'mon.,,....get real......do you really think they weren't her fault?(along with the dude(s) that got her pregnant?) the remember, if she's under 16, it's statutory rape. the kid(s) that got her pregnant should be in juvi.......she should too, and adopt her kids out to caring families, so they can have a chance at a decent life, rather than the life of living with a welfare mother......