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Offline milesobrian

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Bf109F4
« on: October 21, 2010, 03:23:03 PM »
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The 1,350 PS (1,332 hp, 993 kW) DB 601E was used in the F-3 and F-4 model together with a VDM 9-12010 propeller with broader blades for improved altitude performance.[30][46]  The DB 601 E was initially restricted to 1,200 PS (1,184 hp, 883 kW) at 2,500 rpm;[46]  however, the full rating of 1,350 PS at 2,500 rpm was cleared for service use by February 1942.

Is this true and if it is it seems that this is the current model of the f4 is the underrated version, this should not be the case in the late war arena, give us the nonrestricted engine, so the 109f4 can get some competive edge vs other low eny planes.

ALSO

for the 109G  series from wiki:

The newly fitted Daimler-Benz DB 605A engine was a development of the DB 601E engine utilised by the preceding Bf 109F-4; displacement and compression ratio were increased as well as other detail improvements. Takeoff and emergency power of 1,475 PS (1,455 hp, 1,085 kW) was achieved with 1.42 atm of boost at 2,800 rpm. The DB605 suffered from reliability problems during the first year of operation, and this output was initially banned by VT-Anw.Nr.2206, forcing Luftwaffe  units to limit maximum power output to 1,310 PS (1,292 hp, 964 kW) at 2,600 rpm and 1.3 atm manifold pressure. The full output was not reinstated until 8 June 1943 when Daimler-Benz issued a technical directive.[57]  Up to 1944, the G-series was powered by the 1,475 PS Daimler-Benz DB 605 driving a three-blade VDM 9-12087A variable-pitch propeller with a diameter of 3 m (9.8 ft) with even broader blades than used on the...From 1944 a new high-altitude propeller with broader blades was introduced, designated VDM 9-12159, and was fitted to high-altitude variants with the DB 605AS or D-series engines.

so it seems that the g series had this same problem as well, is this true?

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Re: Bf109F4
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2010, 03:33:16 PM »
From wiki:
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Re: Bf109F4
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2010, 03:46:54 PM »
You're just pissed at what they say about Woodstock, you Hippie!!!   

This is where i stopped reading.

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Re: Bf109F4
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2010, 03:49:09 PM »
Would it be any different if he posted the direct sources that those wiki posts are cited from?  :headscratch:
While I understand anyone can post something on there, from what I've seen, everything gets cited or edited out real quickly.
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Re: Bf109F4
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2010, 04:13:55 PM »
Would it be any different if he posted the direct sources that those wiki posts are cited from?  :headscratch:
While I understand anyone can post something on there, from what I've seen, everything gets cited or edited out real quickly.
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Re: Bf109F4
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2010, 04:22:30 PM »
109G-2 should be WEP-less since bf 109g2s didn't operate 1.42 WEP from june 1942 to may 1943.
 
1.42 WEP should be reserved for 109g6




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Re: Bf109F4
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2010, 04:37:25 PM »
From wiki:

The 1,350 PS (1,332 hp, 993 kW) DB 601E was used in the F-3 and F-4 model together with a VDM 9-12010 propeller with broader blades for improved altitude performance.[30][46]  The DB 601 E was initially restricted to 1,200 PS (1,184 hp, 883 kW) at 2,500 rpm;[46]  however, the full rating of 1,350 PS at 2,500 rpm was cleared for service use by February 1942.

Is this true and if it is it seems that this is the current model of the f4 is the underrated version, this should not be the case in the late war arena, give us the nonrestricted engine, so the 109f4 can get some competive edge vs other low eny planes.


109f4 in-game is not underrated version, it's got wep.  Underrated ones had no wep.

so it's safe to say we have a 1942 109f

i think we should get another 109f (WEP-less version) to cover late 1940 to 1941 time frame
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Re: Bf109F4
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2010, 05:00:32 PM »
Its personal with me. I used Wiki as a source for my senior year thesis on Pope John Paul. They were right on all of the big stuff, but almost all the dates were off. I ended up redoing about a quarter of the 20 page paper Because we weren't allowed to use wiki as a source after that. After that I stay as far away as i can.


then thats your fault for for using that information... this isnt a thesis paper is it....

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Re: Bf109F4
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2010, 05:01:41 PM »
109f4 in-game is not underrated version, it's got wep.  Underrated ones had no wep.

so it's safe to say we have a 1942 109f

i think we should get another 109f (WEP-less version) to cover late 1940 to 1941 time frame


but even at wep is still achieves the max speed that is listed for the underrated version.

With its initial engine rating of 1,200 PS, the maximum speed of the F-4 (and F-3) was 635 km/h[52]  (394 mph) at rated altitude; and with the clearance of the full rating of 1,350 PS, maximum speed increased to 670 km/h (420 mph)


the 394 seems to correspond to the max speed on this chart http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php
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Re: Bf109F4
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2010, 05:21:26 PM »
What periods of time are appropriate for which settings?

We have a Spitfire Mk Vb with 60 round drum fed Hispano Is, not the later Spitfire Mk Vc with Hispano IIs.

Just because the LW MA is, well, LW does not mean that such aircraft should be in their latest, greatest form.  Earlier aircraft are for scenarios and historical settings, which are often undermined by making them the ultimate versions of their kind.
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Re: Bf109F4
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2010, 06:27:39 PM »
The F-4 is fine the way it is....
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Re: Bf109F4
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2010, 07:27:10 PM »
What periods of time are appropriate for which settings?

We have a Spitfire Mk Vb with 60 round drum fed Hispano Is, not the later Spitfire Mk Vc with Hispano IIs.

Just because the LW MA is, well, LW does not mean that such aircraft should be in their latest, greatest form.  Earlier aircraft are for scenarios and historical settings, which are often undermined by making them the ultimate versions of their kind.

thats because spitfires are for losers who suck

if im going to let my kid my play im gonna set him up with a late model spitfire because its accessible....

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Re: Bf109F4
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2010, 07:49:37 PM »
thats because spitfires are for losers who suck


And I'm sure you're some "experten" in a Bf 109, right?   :rofl


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Re: Bf109F4
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2010, 07:52:02 PM »
thats because spitfires are for losers who suck

if im going to let my kid my play im gonna set him up with a late model spitfire because its accessible....

You really should have a higher opinion of your own children.  :old:

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Re: Bf109F4
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2010, 08:15:09 PM »
You really should have a higher opinion of your own children.  :old:

why im not going to expect a child under 9 to be able to play an adult game, i mean flying around is hard enough let alone stay alive and get killed, not to mention the whole attention span.  if they keep dieing they probably going to get tired of it real quick...



by the way i never claimed to be an expert at anything....just the stuff i read on wiki...






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