FW190-A8

[Imowface]

lol que the facepalms, I have to retract my last statments from before though, as I have been biased, as I am a better then average La-5 pilot, and have only cme across a few good 109 pilots, including agent360, but the fight was in my favor at the start then he extended and evened things out, but apparently he got a join request before I shot him down, I have to say the La-5 is not as "all powerfull" as I may have made it sound

[Perrine]

i forget if it was you imow but i think months ago in DA that i fought your N1K with my 109g14 (no gondolas)
I think I  was doing pretty well at low speeds (absolutely NO stall limiter-on and NO external views here), i thought i got good solution to the potato guns but  it keeps on missing
tables only turned when you  switched to right-turning fights and no way i will disengage because your N1K because of its guns, and I was saying to my self "do it now or bust".  I ended up getting busted in the long run.
good fights nontheless    

edit: my in-game handle at that time was TripleFi

[Krusty]

I have to say the La-5 is not as "all powerfull" as I may have made it sound

Nor is the 190 as bad as you made it sound. You stack up the speeds and climbs of the 190a5/8 vs the la5 and other specs and they're not that different. The La might be marginally faster below 12k, but the 190s are equally faster above 12k. Granted the A8 climb speed is terrible in-game, but it's modeled overweight by 250 lbs or so, and whenever this gets fixed may prove a worthy replacement for the A5. The 190s arguably have a better weapons load (even on the minimum loadout) allowing better firing time at targets, opening fire further out, "walking" rounds to target, etc.. The roll rate is not to be discounted, either, as it allows for evasives at even high speeds.

In anything other than a 1v1 setup the 190s will be considerable foes.


Further, your "film or it sucks" comments kind of make me laugh. I know I've done a ton of crap in a 190A8 that I wished afterwards I had film to prove. Doesn't mean they didn't happen. I once fought a yak9 to a standstill for 5+ minutes in a 190A8. He wan't half bad either. I would have had him until I screwed up and lost sight. Had a squaddie come in scare him for a split second then reacquired and finished him off.

I've out-rolled spit16s to get them to overshoot and popped them point blank. Didn't get film of that either. Whoops, no film.

I've barreled into furballs, snagged several kills before running out of 30mms (yep, 500lbs extra weight in my wings) and ended up mixing it up and getting out alive. D'oh, no film!

Just recently I was in a gigantic furball from 15k to the deck and managed not only to get several 1v1s with an N1K2, but out turned the plane, out verticaled it, and in the end killed it.

I think you'll see my name amongst those landing multiple 190A8 kills in the MAs (when I can fly anymore). I am not the best but I would say I am expereinced enough to vouch for it. As much as the Spitv is not the best but still lethal, as much as the p47 is not the best but still lethal, the Fw190A8 is still quite very lethal. Maybe you just need some more stick time to appreciate it?

[IrishOne]

Nor is the 190 as bad as you made it sound. You stack up the speeds and climbs of the 190a5/8 vs the la5 and other specs and they're not that different. The La might be marginally faster below 12k, but the 190s are equally faster above 12k. Granted the A8 climb speed is terrible in-game, but it's modeled overweight by 250 lbs or so, and whenever this gets fixed may prove a worthy replacement for the A5. The 190s arguably have a better weapons load (even on the minimum loadout) allowing better firing time at targets, opening fire further out, "walking" rounds to target, etc.. The roll rate is not to be discounted, either, as it allows for evasives at even high speeds.

In anything other than a 1v1 setup the 190s will be considerable foes.


Further, your "film or it sucks" comments kind of make me laugh. I know I've done a ton of crap in a 190A8 that I wished afterwards I had film to prove. Doesn't mean they didn't happen. I once fought a yak9 to a standstill for 5+ minutes in a 190A8. He wan't half bad either. I would have had him until I screwed up and lost sight. Had a squaddie come in scare him for a split second then reacquired and finished him off.

I've out-rolled spit16s to get them to overshoot and popped them point blank. Didn't get film of that either. Whoops, no film.

I've barreled into furballs, snagged several kills before running out of 30mms (yep, 500lbs extra weight in my wings) and ended up mixing it up and getting out alive. D'oh, no film!

Just recently I was in a gigantic furball from 15k to the deck and managed not only to get several 1v1s with an N1K2, but out turned the plane, out verticaled it, and in the end killed it.

I think you'll see my name amongst those landing multiple 190A8 kills in the MAs (when I can fly anymore). I am not the best but I would say I am expereinced enough to vouch for it. As much as the Spitv is not the best but still lethal, as much as the p47 is not the best but still lethal, the Fw190A8 is still quite very lethal. Maybe you just need some more stick time to appreciate it?

if i had the patience to type a bunch, this would be it.  my sentiments exactly 

[pervert]

In anything other than a 1v1 setup the 190s will be considerable foes.

We agree on something?? gasp!  

Further, your "film or it sucks" comments kind of make me laugh.

Kinda laugh? Your excuses for not taking some time to go make a film to prove me wrong make me laugh!  

I know I've done a ton of crap in a 190A8 that I wished afterwards I had film to prove. Doesn't mean they didn't happen. I once fought a yak9 to a standstill for 5+ minutes in a 190A8. He wan't half bad either. I would have had him until I screwed up and lost sight. Had a squaddie come in scare him for a split second then reacquired and finished him off.

Ok so we are agreeing again, you had a 1v1 in your A8, screwed up, your friend helped you and then you killed someone who was 'not half bad'  

I've out-rolled spit16s to get them to overshoot and popped them point blank. Didn't get film of that either. Whoops, no film.

 autofilm function, enable it you'll never miss the action again  

I've barreled into furballs, snagged several kills before running out of 30mms (yep, 500lbs extra weight in my wings) and ended up mixing it up and getting out alive. D'oh, no film!

 This is drifting off into waffle land again picking a furball ain't a 1v1, and honestly you're acting like its my fault you didn't film here  

Just recently I was in a gigantic furball from 15k to the deck and managed not only to get several 1v1s with an N1K2, but out turned the plane, out verticaled it, and in the end killed it.

This is the correct(ish) sort of situation I'm looking for, don't forget relatively co E and alt  

I think you'll see my name amongst those landing multiple 190A8 kills in the MAs (when I can fly anymore). I am not the best but I would say I am experienced enough to vouch for it. As much as the Spitv is not the best but still lethal, as much as the p47 is not the best but still lethal, the Fw190A8 is still quite very lethal. Maybe you just need some more stick time to appreciate it?

How many kills you landed has nothing to do with this debate! Your experienced enough to mention what 4 anecdotes?? 3 of which are not nearly even close to the criteria discribed  

Honestly a lot of this is just confusing waffle, when you pick through it, it doesn't say anything at all except I had an experience, and heres how I perceived it, you don't need the proof please just believe me.

Then your getting mad at me and trying to convince me of the validity of your anecdotes? Most likely you think its because I'm calling you a liar, but watching film back is the difference between what really happens and how you perceive it to happen. Plenty of times watching a film back I've seen that I was wrong in what I thought I was doing in a fight.

I wouldn't usually interject in this type of debate its only because I know how poorly an A8's basic assests are when it comes to a 1v1 co E alt dogfight. I'm not telling you to fly this way or that, you can find success flying in many different styles, but don't give out the impression that with more 'stick time' its FM will magically change into something its not.

People read this stuff and re type it as gospel if it remains un challenged, I've seen so many and had so many bizarre conversations about this bird, things like 'roll rate' ie spazzzing around in a flat scissors etc, its all from threads like these were they see a very experienced player telling everyone that an A8 can dogfight 1v1. They then start to repeat the myth thinking they are helping out and it gets bigger and bigger.

I don't really think 1 film from at least 1 of 4 different players is to much to ask really, I'm baffled by yours and others reaction to it.

[IrishOne]

this debate is ridiculous.  it seems now to be a matter of personal opinion.  i know what it can because i've done it.   after my PC crashed i have no films to show, not that i need to anyways.  maybe it's best you all keep the opinion you have of the A8, and let the guys in the know have all the fun with it.           

[pervert]

this debate is ridiculous.  it seems now to be a matter of personal opinion.  i know what it can because i've done it.   after my PC crashed i have no films to show, not that i need to anyways.  maybe it's best you all keep the opinion you have of the A8, and let the guys in the know have all the fun with it.           

Its not personal opinion on my part I've spent hours upon hours flying the thing in 1v1s and on its own over the years, then watched the films back. Which is why I'm pretty confident you or the other 3 couldn't produce one eithier! The figures just don't add up.

[IrishOne]

Its not personal opinion on my part I've spent hours upon hours flying the thing in 1v1s and on its own over the years, then watched the films back. Which is why I'm pretty confident you or the other 3 couldn't produce one eithier! The figures just don't add up.

read above.   i lost all my films.   i had one in particular i would have loved to post where a pretty well known spixteen stick bounced my A8, with the spit16 having the alt and E.  after 3 or so turns i blasted him in a crossing shot.   no film, as i have NO films whatsoever, but check in the screenshots thread.   there is a pretty good pic of it.   it doesn't do the fight justice as a whole, but the spit16 and I sure know what happened           just because it doesn't add up for you doesn't mean it won't add up for someone else.    you have to understand that your perception of the way things work isn't law.   it's your perception.    and i can almost read your mind here, you are going to post that i'm using my PC crashing as an excuse for not having film.   no matter what you say, you are not going to win or lose this arguement, as you will never be able to make me see what you see, and visa-versa.   argue it all you want, be as confident as you think you can be.   doesn't change a thing.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,204187.3660.html

[grizz441]

If you have skills, you can make the A8 dance and hang with any average MA pilot in any plane.

[pervert]

read above.   i lost all my films.   i had one in particular i would have loved to post where a pretty well known spixteen stick bounced my A8, with the spit16 having the alt and E.  after 3 or so turns i blasted him in a crossing shot.   no film, as i have NO films whatsoever, but check in the screenshots thread.   there is a pretty good pic of it.   it doesn't do the fight justice as a whole, but the spit16 and I sure know what happened           just because it doesn't add up for you doesn't mean it won't add up for someone else.    you have to understand that your perception of the way things work isn't law.   it's your perception.    and i can almost read your mind here, you are going to post that i'm using my PC crashing as an excuse for not having film.   no matter what you say, you are not going to win or lose this arguement, as you will never be able to make me see what you see, and visa-versa.   argue it all you want, be as confident as you think you can be.   doesn't change a thing.

Winning losing, an insightful take on things. I'm not here to change your mind or the other A8 pilots who post amazing recollections, hopefully someone else a new player with a grasp on basic reasoning will read it and see none of you produced the goods so to speak. And it will discourage people posting the baseless waffle that surrounds this plane regarding its suitability for a 1v1.

I like the perception bit you added there but you've actually got a bit confused there, you see if we both watch the facts ie a film. There is really no need for 'perception' its there in black and white, unless your hallicatining you will see and read the same figures I do in a film, you and others are the ones dealing in perception here, I want the facts a film of the engagment.

[grizz441]

Winning losing, an insightful take on things. I'm not here to change your mind or the other A8 pilots who post amazing recollections, hopefully someone else a new player with a grasp on basic reasoning will read it and see none of you produced the goods so to speak. And it will discourage people posting the baseless waffle that surrounds this plane regarding its suitability for a 1v1.

I like the perception bit you added there but you've actually got a bit confused there, you see if we both watch the facts ie a film. There is really no need for 'perception' its there in black and white, unless your hallicatining you will see and read the same figures I do in a film, you and others are the ones dealing in perception here, I want the facts a film of the engagment.

Pervert, it is plenty suitable in the main arena, I have plenty of film to prove this.  I will post one i have in mind later just for u.  The average main arena pilot sucks, a vet can make the A8 dance against him.  It will be a challenge for the vet to win the fight but it is definitely possible if the vet engages in perfect acm/throttle work, and the average ma pilot flies like an average ma pilot.

As for DAing against other vets, yeah the A8 will be lucky to get one shot before he is ready to get man handled.  The plane is clearly a tank, but I think the point is, it can still be successful in the right hands in the Main arena, aka, The Baby Seal arena.

[pervert]

Pervert, it is plenty suitable in the main arena, I have plenty of film to prove this.  I will post one i have in mind later just for u.  The average main arena pilot sucks, a vet can make the A8 dance against him.  It will be a challenge for the vet to win the fight but it is definitely possible if the vet engages in perfect acm/throttle work, and the average ma pilot flies like an average ma pilot.

As for DAing against other vets, yeah the A8 will be lucky to get one shot before he is ready to get man handled.  The plane is clearly a tank, but I think the point is, it can still be successful in the right hands in the Main arena, aka, The Baby Seal arena.

You obviously haven't read far back enough in the post, you are in effect agreeing with me here while trying to disprove what you think I'm saying, although I understand the thread is going on a bit now. Pilot was one of the criteria I have no doubt you and Irish can 'pwn the n00bs' in an A8. Post your film anyway and lets have a look at it, I'm growing tired of speculation.

[Yeager]

If you have skills, you can make the A8 dance and hang with any average MA pilot in any plane.

same can be said for any plane armed with forward firing guns.

[grizz441]

You obviously haven't read far back enough in the post, you are in effect agreeing with me here while trying to disprove what you think I'm saying, although I understand the thread is going on a bit now. Pilot was one of the criteria I have no doubt you and Irish can 'pwn the n00bs' in an A8. Post your film anyway and lets have a look at it, I'm growing tired of speculation.

You're right i only read the last 2 pages.  Anyways, i'll post later tonight.

[skribetm]

Fw190-A8, the wirblewind with wings.