FW190-A8

[IrishOne]

to be fair, i do in fact agree with a good portion of your arguement.   it's a brick.   it's as manueverable as a panzer.   but to say that 1v1 co-E it stands absolutely no chance is a stretch.   i'm sorry i have no film.   i'm sorry you "grow tired of speculation."   let's see some of your films, maybe somebody can give you some pointers as to what you are doing wrong in it.   until then, let's remain fair and consider it all mere speculation.   i believe this thread has about run it's course.      

[grizz441]

http://dasmuppets.com/public/Grizz/2v1 A8 Pwn.ahf

[pervert]

http://disrupts.com/public/Griz/2v1 A8 Pen.AF

I'd have to question the quality of the opponents, but non the less its nice displacement roll flying to get the snapshots, we fly quite a similar style.
Indeed this is the same style that I try ed on the A5 and A8 I would have the odd success due to an opponent trying to frantically pull piper on plane with excess speed, but by and large against the better pilots then would just go into a vert turn after the initial overshoot were the A8 had no prayer of reaching them.

Watching my films back the difference was always speed and engine power, what worked in the 190D would not do so in the A8 it simply ran out of pep and was unable to recover.

Does this convince me that an A8 is a capable dogfighter? No, it does tell me that a superior pilot in an inferior plane can beat an inferior pilot in a superior plane, but I already knew that. I do however appreciate the fact you were the only one to attempt to post a film for the sake of the debate, it was a enjoyable view non the less cheers. 

[grizz441]

I'd have to question the quality of the opponents, but non the less its nice displacement roll flying to get the snapshots, we fly quite a similar style.
Indeed this is the same style that I try ed on the A5 and A8 I would have the odd success due to an opponent trying to frantically pull piper on plane with excess speed, but by and large against the better pilots then would just go into a vert turn after the initial overshoot were the A8 had no prayer of reaching them.

Watching my films back the difference was always speed and engine power, what worked in the 190D would not do so in the A8 it simply ran out of pep and was unable to recover.

Does this convince me that an A8 is a capable dogfighter? No, it does tell me that a superior pilot in an inferior plane can beat an inferior pilot in a superior plane, but I already knew that. I do however appreciate the fact you were the only one to attempt to post a film for the sake of the debate, it was a enjoyable view non the less cheers. 

The two pilots that I killed are average ma pilots.  No better no worse.

[Krusty]

Doesn't matter what you give him. He's set his mind to the fact the A8 is a deathtrap, nothing you show him will get any response other than "that's not what I meant because _______ (fill in the blank)"...


And as for his hilarious attempt at "the facts" (lolzz!!!11!1one!) from films? Sounds more like thorsim's nonsense to me.

[Urchin]

Well honestly by any objective measure the 190s are garbage.  I hate to put it that way, but that is how I've always seen it.  Unless you really want to fly the 190s because for some reason you WANT to, it isn't like they are the best at anything. 

If I weren't a WW2 aviation enthusiast but just a gamer looking for the 'best ride' the 190s would be way far down the list. 

Look at it objectively - the 190A5 is basically a Spit 16 that can't turn, has less firepower, and worse views (the 16' cockpit bars really kill the 190s for me).  Hell, it might even be slower, I'm not sure.  Wouldn't surprise me though.

The 190A8 is even worse than the A5, except for the firepower.  But honestly, if you just want a plane for picking, the Tiffie is faster, turns better, and packs a lot more firepower.

The D9 can be compared unfavorably to pretty much every other 'fast' plane...  The La-7 does everything better, the Tiffie does nearly everything better, the 109K does everything better (granted the gun package isn't as good), and the P-51 is.. well, maybe the D-9 can't be compared unfavorably to EVERY other fast plane .

[pervert]

Doesn't matter what you give him. He's set his mind to the fact the A8 is a deathtrap, nothing you show him will get any response other than "that's not what I meant because _______ (fill in the blank)"...


And as for his hilarious attempt at "the facts" (lolzz!!!11!1one!) from films? Sounds more like thorsim's nonsense to me.

Reading some of your advice on 'the facts' in the skinners thread and the great pains you go to, to ensure they are implemented, it shocks me you scoff at such an approach with regards to your flying.

ps. it might explain why increments of BS on the BBS are measured in Krusty units  

pps. I sound like Thorsim?? wasn't his forte whining about luft flight models being undermodelled?? remember you mentioning the weight on the A8 was wrong earlier in the thread...so who is whining about the 190 being undermodeled? thanks right you are 

[Perrine]

Not me  

how about this? (changes are marked as underline)


2.  The FW-190 is a small aircraft period. It (sustained) turns like its huge, It hits like its huge but in dimensions it's tiny
1.  Fw-190s is a simple plane to fly and operate... so fighting in it should also be kept simple to increase chances of surviving the sortie

[Charge]

Well put Urchin. 

-C+

[IrishOne]

Unless you really want to fly the 190s because for some reason you WANT to, it isn't like they are the best at anything. 

i fly it because out of all the WWII planes i grew up loving, the 190 always stood out to me.   been my favorite plane since i was a kid     and after flying the crap out of it, i know that any of them can compete in the MA.   and what you say is true, they are not better than anything in the MA.  it is a tough plane to be successful in.   no, it's not the spit16 that damn near everyone so readily runs to.  it's a challenge.   one that i enjoy very much.

[Ruah]

i fly it because out of all the WWII planes i grew up loving, the 190 always stood out to me.   been my favorite plane since i was a kid     and after flying the crap out of it, i know that any of them can compete in the MA.   and what you say is true, they are not better than anything in the MA.  it is a tough plane to be successful in.   no, it's not the spit16 that damn near everyone so readily runs to.  it's a challenge.   one that i enjoy very much.

Its true, the A5 and D9 both can compete at the highest levels in MA, you just have to be extra smart about it.  You cannot stop anyon from running and resetting the fight, but all you need is one shot. . . It is very very rare to meet a pilot that is as skilld enough to avoid every shot opportunity.

And yes, desplacement rolls, lag rolls, high yo yos, are all really good moves that the 190s can perform with so much ease and speed that by your next turn downwards, as you look up, you will see th 190 in a snapshot. (Up, over, around and down - as I visualize it)

[Urchin]

Sure, a good pilot can do fine in a 190 as long as he is careful.  Take the same pilot, put him in a better plane and he can do fine and not be as careful. 

It is kinda like that old old song "Anything you can do, I can do better". 

If you want a challenge, or if you just really like the 190s, then fly them and be happy (personally, I've always had a thing for the P-39).  The 190s were better (both in absolute and relative terms) when I flew them, but any plane with forward firing guns can have at least some success in the arenas.

[grizz441]

Sure, a good pilot can do fine in a 190 as long as he is careful.  Take the same pilot, put him in a better plane and he can do fine and not be as careful. 

It is kinda like that old old song "Anything you can do, I can do better". 

If you want a challenge, or if you just really like the 190s, then fly them and be happy (personally, I've always had a thing for the P-39).  The 190s were better (both in absolute and relative terms) when I flew them, but any plane with forward firing guns can have at least some success in the arenas.

It's also nice to record pwnage and make sure there is no doubt in your opponent's mind of what just took place. 

[R 105]

As far as the guns on any 190. They are superior to the guns on the LA-7. The LA-7 has a terrible gun that is only good at about 350 yards other than a luck hit. It has a small ammo load also. The 190 has a good ammo lay out and the gun is very good. The Typhoons guns are excellent even with the smaller ammo lay out. Over all I prefer the 190 hand down over the LA-7 for over all use for base attacks.

[Imowface]

As far as the guns on any 190. They are superior to the guns on the LA-7. The LA-7 has a terrible gun that is only good at about 350 yards other than a luck hit. It has a small ammo load also. The 190 has a good ammo lay out and the gun is very good. The Typhoons guns are excellent even with the smaller ammo lay out. Over all I prefer the 190 hand down over the LA-7 for over all use for base attacks.

and you should prefer it La-5's and 7's are furballers not attack planes