FW190-A8

[Perrine]

... and turning, young padawan, is only a single attribute.  If you use that alone to measure a plane's worth, you've missed out on a whole realm of air combat.

of course... but it would be a nice bonus if 190 had a bit some, but no.
i also recognize there's more downsides to 110G too... obviously its large provile and acceleration compared to 109 and 190

like what real life soviet airmen seen, 190s only shoot & scoot, attempt at HO-ing and when in unfavorable position they run away... and that's how I saw it too in MA and furballing area in DA.  

[pervert]

of course... but it would be a nice bonus if 190 had a bit some, but no.
i also recognize there's more downsides to 110G too... obviously its large provile and acceleration compared to 109 and 190

like what real life soviet airmen seen, 190s only shoot & scoot, attempt at HO-ing and when in unfavorable position they run away... and that's how I saw it too in MA and furballing area in DA.  

Hmm the soviet airmen were complaining about 190s HOing them, then running away?

"but it would be a nice bonus if 190 had a bit some, but no." what does this mean???? 

[Muzzy]

of course... but it would be a nice bonus if 190 had a bit some, but no.
i also recognize there's more downsides to 110G too... obviously its large provile and acceleration compared to 109 and 190

like what real life soviet airmen seen, 190s only shoot & scoot, attempt at HO-ing and when in unfavorable position they run away... and that's how I saw it too in MA and furballing area in DA.  

Which means the 190 is great for BnZ. That's what it's for.  I imagine zeke pilots had the same complaint about the Americans. It was all about using the toughness and the speed advantage of American iron birds against the slower and more fragile Japanese planes. 

I don't know why people complain about this flying style. Sure it's frustrating to encounter but it's also very effective. There's really no point in complaining if the enemy won't fight they way you want them to.

[Perrine]

"but it would be a nice bonus if 190 had a bit some, but no." what does this mean???? 

i meant a little bit of sustained TnB capability

[Perrine]

Which means the 190 is great for BnZ. That's what it's for.

(this applies to 190A and F only)

but if the enemy is La-5 (in-game) and you're near deck then it's a chasing game, and LA-5 slowly close the gap  

at least 109Gs (excluding g-14) can go toe to toe and tangle with la-5

[Urchin]

  *Cough cough cough* Who summoned me?  Whoooo summoned ME!!??

Anyway at some point I may dust everything off and make a reappearance.  Anyone who may have any of my old 190 films (and at this point most of them will be quite old indeed) needs to remember that the 190 caught a gigantic whack with the nerf bat (along with the P-51) in the same patch that turned the 109 and F4U into amazing turny birds.

In my heyday the 190a5 could pretty much turn with an F4U, but the 190a8 was always rather brickish.

[Yeager]

remember that the 190 caught a gigantic whack with the nerf bat (along with the P-51) in the same patch that turned the 109 and F4U into amazing turny birds.

In my heyday the 190a5 could pretty much turn with an F4U, but the 190a8 was always rather brickish.

Its a completely different game now Urchin.  You will get your rectum fed to you via the esophogus.  At least until you find your old "legs" as it were......

When was it that the nerf bat you refer to was implimented?  for the life of me I cant put a time on it.

[Urchin]

It was quite a while ago.  I believe it was the patch dealing with airflow over flaps or something similar.  2006-ish maybe?  I'll try to look it up.  There were no notes about individual plane models changing, I believe that the notes said that all models would be effected to some degree or another.

And as far as the part about eating my own butt, I believe it lol.  The past few times I've come back for a weekend I just burn out on the MA's too quick.  Honestly a weekend or two is the most I can stand it, then I'll tool around in the DA for a little while.  Think the last time I came back for a bit was when the WW1 birds were released but that seems to have flatlined.

EDIT:

Did some poking around and found a thread by Widewing saying it was the 2.07 update.  At one point in time he had actual screen shots of the pre and post patch turning ability for several planes - the 190a5 had its flaps down turning radius increased significantly... I believe on the order of 50%.  I've looked for them in the past and never found them, if he is still around he may be able to shed more light on the subject.

[Krusty]

Actually, I think the whack came when Ah 2 came out. Many planes didn't fly the same as they used to. Ta152 for example.

The 2.07 airflow recode actually helped quite a bit, IMO!

Perhaps the raw data says it turns worse (first I recall hearing) but overall handling is much improved. Instant wingtip stall whenever you banked your wings was gone, you could actually get down to stall speed in a turn fight!

Much better than it used to be, from a subjective opinion.

[Imowface]

(this applies to 190A and F only)

but if the enemy is La-5 (in-game) and you're near deck then it's a chasing game, and LA-5 slowly close the gap  

at least 109Gs (excluding g-14) can go toe to toe and tangle with la-5

no 109 is a match for the La-5 but the K-4 with a decent pilot
190's dont really stand a chance against the La-5 either unless it has big advantages

[IrishOne]

no 109 is a match for the La-5 but the K-4 with a decent pilot
190's dont really stand a chance against the La-5 either unless it has big advantages

this is untrue.   if you know how to fly an A5, it will do just fine against the La5.   of course, this will be seen as just my opinion, and shouts of "film or it didnt happen!" are sure to ensue, but if you keep thinking its an unflyable piece of junk, then that's just the way it shall remain, for you.    as for 109's not standing a chance against la5's, what planet are you coming from?   any 109 in a turn fight should slaughter an la5 of equal skill.   again, my opinion.    flame away.   

[Imowface]

I never said anything is unflyable, I mostly respect 109's, 190's though, I will hold my statment on saying that the only way a 190 stands a chance against an La-5FN is to have all the advantages, as for 109's some can be harder to beat then others,  I had a good fight with agent last night in his K-4, we both had good shots at each other but then I took his wing off with an inverted crossing shot,  so I still stand on my oppiion that the La-5 will come out on top in most situations

[pervert]

109 f, g2, g6, g14, k4 are all a match for an la5 they have the qualitys were pilot skill will determine the outcome.  Even with equal pilots i'd fancy the 109 la5 does'nt do rolling scissors nearly as well. Irish no harm in me asking for film, this is about the a8 not the a5. No one has produced film but i knew they would'nt when i asked. I'm not interested in bias perception of a fight because someone loves the a8, if they find sucess with the plane they should tell it like it is rather than misled people i'm only interested in the facts. Nothing wrong with that, and in game film is fact.

[Perrine]

1.  Fw-190s is a simple plane to fly and operate... so fighting in it should also be kept simple
2.  The FW-190 is a small aircraft period. It flys like its huge, It hits like its huge but in dimensions it's tiny

who here agrees with these 2 lines?

[pervert]

1.  Fw-190s is a simple plane to fly and operate... so fighting in it should also be kept simple
2.  The FW-190 is a small aircraft period. It flys like its huge, It hits like its huge but in dimensions it's tiny

who here agrees with these 2 lines?

Not me  do you make this stuff up as you go along? Or is it based on experience? Do you play this game at all??