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Re: B-29A - Loading and Performance for a typical mission
« Reply #105 on: November 12, 2010, 12:31:39 AM »
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Re: B-29A - Loading and Performance for a typical mission
« Reply #106 on: November 12, 2010, 01:17:22 AM »
How's this for B-29 lineup?  Let's have 2 version of B-29.

Make B-29A a perk bomber and B-29B a non perk bomber with the Lowest ENY.   

B-29B would give new players at least an access to B29-lite but at the expense of defensive firepower, kinda like Boston III.

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Re: B-29A - Loading and Performance for a typical mission
« Reply #107 on: November 12, 2010, 02:09:46 AM »
 :rofl here we go again
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Re: B-29A - Loading and Performance for a typical mission
« Reply #108 on: November 12, 2010, 08:57:47 AM »
I find this to be a reasonable request actually.   :aok

How's this for B-29 lineup?  Let's have 2 version of B-29.

Make B-29A a perk bomber and B-29B a non perk bomber with the Lowest ENY.   

B-29B would give new players at least an access to B29-lite but at the expense of defensive firepower, kinda like Boston III.
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Re: B-29A - Loading and Performance for a typical mission
« Reply #109 on: November 12, 2010, 06:46:02 PM »

Why? They didn't load bombers with 100% fuel during the war when it wasn't necessary.

Each and every B24 my grandfather flew, in combat mission or not, had %100 fuel.  Each and every B17 he ferried from the mainland to Hickam Field had %100 fuel.  Matter of fact, each of the C47's, C87's, C45's, AT6's, C3's, C61's, C78's, L4's, T15's, T20's, and T17's (that is all the aircraft I can find from his service records) had %100 fuel in them.  The *only* time he does not notate %100 fuel is during his initial training hours at Tulare, CA in July of 1942.  While at "basic flight school" all of his fuel and ordnance (if any) are notated.     

There is a reason that aircraft took off with as much fuel as they were able, they didnt have a satellite view of the world and human error was quite common.  Nothing like flying right on by your intended airfield by a few degrees and 80 miles and realizing the mistake with sundown or bad weather approaching.   
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Re: B-29A - Loading and Performance for a typical mission
« Reply #110 on: November 12, 2010, 08:57:38 PM »
Fuel load is dependent on bomb load.

Look at the first post. An increase of 10,000lb of bombs had the fuel reduced by ~8000lb.


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Re: B-29A - Loading and Performance for a typical mission
« Reply #111 on: November 13, 2010, 03:03:01 PM »
How's this for B-29 lineup?  Let's have 2 version of B-29.

Make B-29A a perk bomber and B-29B a non perk bomber with the Lowest ENY.   

B-29B would give new players at least an access to B29-lite but at the expense of defensive firepower, kinda like Boston III.

The B would have to be perked as well because it's not a "lesser" model compared to the A.  While it doesn't have the defensive armor or guns like the A has, it is lighter, faster and carries more of a bombload and would be just as hard if not a little tougher to shoot down than the A.

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Re: B-29A - Loading and Performance for a typical mission
« Reply #112 on: November 13, 2010, 03:06:51 PM »
Each and every B24 my grandfather flew, in combat mission or not, had %100 fuel.  Each and every B17 he ferried from the mainland to Hickam Field had %100 fuel.  Matter of fact, each of the C47's, C87's, C45's, AT6's, C3's, C61's, C78's, L4's, T15's, T20's, and T17's (that is all the aircraft I can find from his service records) had %100 fuel in them.  The *only* time he does not notate %100 fuel is during his initial training hours at Tulare, CA in July of 1942.  While at "basic flight school" all of his fuel and ordnance (if any) are notated.     

There is a reason that aircraft took off with as much fuel as they were able, they didnt have a satellite view of the world and human error was quite common.  Nothing like flying right on by your intended airfield by a few degrees and 80 miles and realizing the mistake with sundown or bad weather approaching.   

Bombers would not take 100% fuel for each and every missions, they had to balance fuel load with bomb load to meet the mission requirements.  That would mean for long missions into Germany the bombers would take more fuel and less bombs, for shorter range missions they would take more bombs and less fuel.  Look at the chart I posted, it shows the fuel and bomb load for various missions and ranges.

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Re: B-29A - Loading and Performance for a typical mission
« Reply #113 on: November 13, 2010, 05:50:09 PM »
B-29 loadouts from the manual (AN 01-20EJ-1):

80x 100lb
56x 300lb
40x 500lb
12x 1,000lb
12x 1,600lb
8x 2,000lb
4x 4,000lb




actualy that would be 20 1000 pound bombs, the lanc gets to take off with its full 14,000 pounds of bombs. so why wont the B-29 get to take off with its 20,000 pound load.
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Re: B-29A - Loading and Performance for a typical mission
« Reply #114 on: November 13, 2010, 05:58:54 PM »
Fuel load is dependent on bomb load.

Look at the first post. An increase of 10,000lb of bombs had the fuel reduced by ~8000lb.

Not always. Even short hops across the English Channel had B-26s and B-24s topping off the gas tanks. Fuel was life. You could always put 500 bombers in the air to get more bombs on target. Most times bombers carried as much fuel as possible. It's only a rare few examples with some overload bomb situation that had reduced fuel, but the fuel reduction was still the max capable (it wasn't "oh, let's only put 100 gallons in the tanks today, boys")

It's historically inaccurate to have any 4-engine bomber (hell, any 2-engine bomber) from taking off with less than full fuel.

Forget fighters for a moment. The most common retort to this is "same for fighters" but this is obviously not even comparable. We're talking apples to astronomic units.

Bombers accelerate far faster, climb way better, top out at MUCH higher alts than historically possible, and get up there in a fraction of the time, compared to historical real-world performances. In this game they also run full power despite less fuel, so even in the real world they'd climb at reduced power, cruise to targets and back, and go through the combat zone much slower, lower, and heavier than anything in Aces High.

When you have something designed to fly 1000 miles and back, but it's only going 50mi and back in-game, you will never need more than 25% ever. If we had customizable fuel loads, folks would exploit this even further, by exaggerating bomber performance with 1% fuel loads, so be thankful it's not worse than it really is.

If we get a B-29 in AH I only hope it has a 30-minute "WEP" speed after which your power drops to max continuous, as even in the real plane you risked having a meltdown in the engines if you ran them that long at full power. I'd say this plane will be faster, more effect, and more dangerous than an Ar234 because its performance will be so unhistorically "boosted" by AH modeling concessions.

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Re: B-29A - Loading and Performance for a typical mission
« Reply #115 on: November 13, 2010, 06:00:07 PM »
actualy that would be 20 1000 pound bombs, the lanc gets to take off with its full 14,000 pounds of bombs. so why wont the B-29 get to take off with its 20,000 pound load.

It's not the math. It often depends on the bomb shackles available and spacing/placement inside the bomb bays.

Might hold 20,000 lbs in smaller bombs, but if you move to 1000lb bombs, you have less places to put them and less racks rated for that weight.


P.S. I'd personally say "look to the historic mission reports" to see what the common loadouts were. Just because something COULD be done doesn't mean it WAS done much.

They COULD carry atomic weapons. Doesn't mean they did very often.

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Re: B-29A - Loading and Performance for a typical mission
« Reply #116 on: November 13, 2010, 06:06:54 PM »
Not always. Even short hops across the English Channel had B-26s and B-24s topping off the gas tanks.

It all depended on mission requirements and weight.  Even for Operation Cobra just across the Channel, the bombers did not take a full fuel load so they could take the maximum amount of ordnance. 

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Re: B-29A - Loading and Performance for a typical mission
« Reply #117 on: November 13, 2010, 06:09:44 PM »
true but i think HtC will make it 20 1000 pound bombs. either way its probrably gonna be perked right at the 262 maybe 300 perk points.
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Re: B-29A - Loading and Performance for a typical mission
« Reply #118 on: November 13, 2010, 06:16:23 PM »
It all depended on mission requirements and weight.  Even for Operation Cobra just across the Channel, the bombers did not take a full fuel load so they could take the maximum amount of ordnance. 

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Would you agree that every last ounce of available weight was used for loading fuel, regardless of how short the flight?

I.E. You would never see 25% fuel loads.

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Re: B-29A - Loading and Performance for a typical mission
« Reply #119 on: November 13, 2010, 06:25:52 PM »
so B-29s fly 50% fuel?
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