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Offline Fatboy26

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Re: M410 Armament?
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2010, 09:10:36 AM »
By the last few months of the war, most BK5 equipped Me410's were used as anti-tank a/c against the Russians. 
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Re: M410 Armament?
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2010, 12:07:08 AM »
By the last few months of the war, most BK5 equipped Me410's were used as anti-tank a/c against the Russians. 

And that, brings up another awsome reason for having the 410. P.O. GV'ers!!!  :x :cheers:
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Re: M410 Armament?
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2010, 06:39:46 PM »
Isn't this the forum to discuss planes we actually have?   :neener:
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Re: M410 Armament?
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2010, 09:52:50 PM »
Isn't this the forum to discuss planes we actually have?   :neener:
Nope.  It is the place to discuss the technical aspects of any unit.  Discussing is not wishing for.
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Re: M410 Armament?
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2010, 11:31:17 AM »
You're always so serious Sir.........   :cheers:

Nope.  It is the place to discuss the technical aspects of any unit.  Discussing is not wishing for.
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Re: M410 Armament?
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2010, 03:15:09 PM »
Info about different 30mm projectiles:  http://www.xs4all.nl/~robdebie/me163/weapons15.htm

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Re: M410 Armament?
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2010, 03:43:25 PM »
Here are some.


U2: 2xMG151/20 (B-2)
ME-410-B.U4                             U4: 1xBK5
ME-410-B.R2                             R2: 2xMK108
ME-410-B.R3                             R3: 2xMK103
ME-410-B.R4                             R4: 2xMG151 Gunpod
ME-410-B.R5                             R5: 4xMG151
ME-410-B.R4U2                           U2R4: 2xMG151+2xMG151 Gunpod
ME-410-B.U4R4                           U4R4: 1xBK5+2xMG151 Gunpod
ME-410-B.R2R4                           R2R4: 2xMK108+2xMG151 Gunpod
ME-410-B.R3R4                           R3R4: 2xMK103+2xMG151 Gunpod
ME-410-B.R4R5                           R4R5: 2xMG151Gunpod+4xMG151
ME-410-B.M5                             M5: 6x Wfr.Gr.21
ME-410-B.U2M5                           U2M5: 2xMG151+6xWfr.Gr.21
ME-410-B.U4M5                           U4M5: 1xBK5+6xWfr.Gr.21
ME-410-B.R2M5                           R2M5: 2xMK108+6xWfr.Gr.21
ME-410-B.R3M5                           R3M5: 2xMK103+6xWfr.Gr.21
ME-410-B.R5M5                           R5M5: 4xMG151+6xWfr.Gr.21
ME-410-B.U2R4M5                         U2R4M5: 2x2MG151+6xWfr.Gr.21
ME-410-B.U4R4M5                         U4R4M5: 1xBK5+2xMG151+WGr.
ME-410-B.R2R4M5                         R2R4M5: 2xMK108+2xMG151+WGr.
ME-410-B.R3R4M5                         R3R4M5: 2xMK103+2xMG151+WGr.
ME-410-B.R34x50SC                       R3: 2xMK103+4xSC 50
ME-410-B.8x50SC                         8x SC 50
ME-410-B.1x250SC                        1x SC 250
ME-410-B.2x250SC                        2x SC 250
ME-410-B.1x500SC                        1x SC 500
ME-410-B.2x500SC                        2x SC 500
ME-410-B.1x250AB                        1x AB 250
ME-410-B.2x250AB                        2x AB 250
ME-410-B.1x500AB                        1x AB 500
ME-410-B.2x500AB                        2x AB 500
ME-410-B.12x50SC                        8x SC 50 + 4x SC 50
ME-410-B.2X250SC4x50SC                  2x SC 250 + 4x SC 50
ME-410-B.1X500SC4x50SC                  1x SC 500 + 4x SC 50
ME-410-B.TORPEDO                        B5 Standard: 1x Torpedo
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Re: M410 Armament?
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2010, 05:27:54 PM »
Void,

Can you add columns:

1. Feild Modifiction kit. (R) Ruestsaetze (field) and Numbers of aircraft outfitted.

2.Factory Modification. (U) Umruest-Bausatze (factory) and Numbers of aircraft outfitted.

3. Primary Factory release version and Numbers of aircraft outfitted.

You might get an idea based on numbers of primary factory versions which one we will get. And the A1/U4 with the BK 5? Will we also get the ZFR 4a sight a Revi16b with the angled telescopic viewer mated to it just below center POV? I'm not sure how previlant the ZFR 4a was. Most photos of variants looks like they only have the Revi16b.
 
 
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Re: M410 Armament?
« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2010, 07:38:53 AM »
Sorry. I am unable to do that Bustr.
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Re: M410 Armament?
« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2010, 11:51:48 AM »
Me-410
Variants

A-1
SC 50 German HE bomb The A-1 was the first production version of the aircraft. It was armed with two MG 17s and two 20 mm MG 151 cannon in the nose, and one MG 131 in each of the rear firing barbettes.

The Me 410 had a dedicated bomb bay (or weapons bay) close to the front of the aircraft. In the A-1 it was used to carry either one SD 1000 bomb (1000kg/ 2,200lb) or eight SC 50 bombs (50kg/110lb) bombs in the bomb bay with four more under the wings.

This bomb bay was the key to the aircraft’s versatility. Many later versions used it to carry extra guns.

A-1/U1
The A-1/U1 was a reconnaissance version. The two nose mounted MG 17s were removed and a camera (either the Rb 20/30, Rb 50/30 or Rb 75/30) placed in the bomb bay.
A-1/U2
The Me 410 was equipped with a wide variety of different guns. Different weapon kits could be placed in the bomb bay. The A-1/U2 Zerstörer had two 20mm MG 151/20 cannon mounted in a Waffen Behälter 151A (Weapons Carrier or Container 151) mounted in the bomb bay.
A-1/U4
A bomber killer armed with the very heavy 50mm BK 5 cannon mounted in the bomb bay. Only 21 rounds could be carried for this gun, so although the first prototype of this model had all other guns removed, the production version carried the same guns as the standard A-1.

A-2
This was the second main production series. The basic A-2 was built as a Zerstörer. The forward firing MG 17s were removed from the nose and two 30mm MK 103 cannon were mounted in the bomb bay.

A-2/U1
A reconnaissance version, similar to the A-1/U1
A-2/U2
This was a night fighter variant, with radar aerials mounted on the nose.
A-2/U4
A bomber killer similar to the A-1/U4, based around the same BK 5 cannon.

A-3
The A-3 was a dedicated reconnaissance aircraft. The bomb bay was adapted to take a pair of Rb 20/30, Rb 50/30 or Rb 75/30 cameras.

B-1
The B series appeared in early 1944. The most significant change was the use of the DB 603G engine, giving 1,900 hp. The B-1 was a fast bomber similar to the A-1. It had strengthened landing gear to cope with the heavier engine, and could take two 300 litre/ 79.25 gallon drop tanks under the wings. The nose mounted MG 17s were replaced by two 13 mm MG 131s. The maximum bomb load was the same as the A-1 at 2204lbs/ 1000 kg.

B-1/U2
This was a Zerstörer, with the same standard guns as the B-1 and two 20 mm MG 151 cannon mounted in a WB 151A weapons container.
B-1/U4
Another Zerstörer variant. Here the forward mounted guns were all replaced by a 50mm BK 5 cannon, supported by two 20 mm MG 151 cannon mounted in a WB 151A weapons container.

B-2
The B-2 was a Zerstörer that appeared with a bewildering array of different combinations of guns. Sources suggest the following main versions of the
B-2/U-1 and U-2.

B-2/U-1
This version had the stand armaments and two 20 mm MG 151 cannon mounted behind the bomb bay.
B-2/U-2
This had the MG 17s removed from the nose, and replaced by one of three weapons packs in the bomb bay:
B-2/U-2/R-2: Two 30mm Mk 108 cannon
B-2/U-2/R-3: Two 30mm Mk 103 cannon
B-2/U-3/R-5: Four 20mm MG 151 cannon
B-2/U-3
Rather more straightforward was this anti-shipping version. It was armed with one torpedo under the fuselage and a part of 30mm cannon in the weapons bay. The two forwarding firing MG 131s were removed to make room for the FuG 200 Hohentwiel search radar.
B-2/U4
Similar to the A-1/U4 and A-2/U4, this version had a 50mm Mk 5 cannon installed, as well as a pair of 30mm cannon in the weapons bay.

B-3
This was a reconnaissance variant, carrying a pair of either the Rb 20/30, Rb 50/30 or Rb 75/30 cameras. The forward guns were reduced to the two MG 151s.

B-5
The B-5 was a torpedo bomber. It was armed with a BT-Körper (bomb-torpedo missile) mounted on the port side of the fuselage and FuG 200 Hohentwiel search radar. The B-5 was also used to test out a variety of experimental weapons systems.

B-6
An anit-shipping reconnaissance aircraft, with FuG 200 search radar, and two 30mm Mk 103 cannons mounted under the fuselage.

B-7 and B-8
The B-7 and B-8 were proposed day and night reconnaissance versions. Neither reached production, and nor did any of the later versions.

C
This was a proposed series based on one of the DB 603JZ, BMW 801TJ or Jumo 213 E/JZ engines. No prototypes were ever completed.

D
The D series would have been a night fighter, equipped with Lichtenstein radar. Parts of the wing would have been made from wood, one of the few materials not in short supply in Germany towards the end of the war.

H
This version would have been based on the DB 603G engine and given extended wings. Work had started on the first prototype but was incomplete at the end of the war"
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Re: M410 Armament?
« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2010, 02:56:05 PM »
Was the DB603G actually produced?
... missions were to be met by the commitment of alerted swarms of fighters, composed of Me 109's and Fw 190's, that were strategically based to protect industrial installations. The inferior capabilities of these fighters against the Mosquitoes made this a hopeless and uneconomical effort. 1.JD KTB

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Re: M410 Armament?
« Reply #26 on: November 08, 2010, 05:48:24 PM »
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« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2010, 07:17:18 PM »
I guess that's a no?
... missions were to be met by the commitment of alerted swarms of fighters, composed of Me 109's and Fw 190's, that were strategically based to protect industrial installations. The inferior capabilities of these fighters against the Mosquitoes made this a hopeless and uneconomical effort. 1.JD KTB

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« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2010, 08:20:36 PM »
I guess that's a no?

The only thing it mentions is:

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Oh yes, the DB 603G was planned for several a/c, especially for the Me 410. And, in many references that you might look at today you will see notes that say the Me 410B was powered by the DB 603G. But, already in a meeting in June 1943 DB made the point that the Me 410 couldn't possibly be powered by the DB 603G before Dec. 44; and as you know, the Me 410 stopped production in Sept. 44.

That's not very concrete. It suggests none were used, but that's based on a prediction 1.5 years before the actual timeline was speculated. 1.5 years is a long long time for things, especially if production is ramping up, slowing down, etc.


It merely suggests the answer is "no" but I wouldn't say it's definite.

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« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2010, 09:39:50 PM »
Yeah, I should have bought that bloody Mankau/Petrick book when I had the chance.
... missions were to be met by the commitment of alerted swarms of fighters, composed of Me 109's and Fw 190's, that were strategically based to protect industrial installations. The inferior capabilities of these fighters against the Mosquitoes made this a hopeless and uneconomical effort. 1.JD KTB