B-29 and current runways

[Tupac]

FLOTSOM, back in the day they let the 163s up from every field for about a week. Bombers were killed left and right, and it totally unbalances the game.

[FLOTSOM]

well that is why i suggest leveling the playing field, if these ridiculous game changing bombers can up from it then the 163 should be used as a check and balance tool. tit for tat so to speak.

[Lusche]

well that is why i suggest leveling the playing field, if these ridiculous game changing bombers can up from it then the 163 should be used as a check and balance tool. tit for tat so to speak.

Unfortunately the 163s won't just attack the B-29's. Unless you massively increase the perk price of the 163, it would be much more game changing than a B-29 could ever be.

[FLOTSOM]

Unfortunately the 163s won't just attack the B-29's. Unless you massively increase the perk price of the 163, it would be much more game changing than a B-29 could ever be.

but the B29 is far more game changing than the 163 could ever be. 20 163's cant down a town and a base in one pass, the B29 carries enough ord to do more than one.

in comparison the 163 would be a pesky knat to most arena game play, much like the 262 is currently. the B29 will be used as a hammer and it will, if unapposed, smash the fights down at every base a fight shows up at.

[demondog]

I would think you can get the B29 off any runway as long as you use flaps. Will have to try it out once it's availible for take off. Looking forward to using it. 

[CAP1]

I would think you can get the B29 off any runway as long as you use flaps. Will have to try it out once it's availible for take off. Looking forward to using it. 

10 degrees may help...more than 20 degrees, will create extra drag.....

[Ghosth]

Now I could be wrong, but I suspect that HTC will end up having to lengthen large airfield runways to accommodate the B29. I also strongly suspect they will only be enabled at large fields.

That means that anyone willing to take 5 minutes reading the map and figuring it out can make a pretty strong guess as to exactly which field 29's are rolling from.

And while at 30k and full speed a formation of B29's may be hard for most to kill.
At 1 - 5k and climbing at under 200 mph they will be easy meat for anyone who wants to go loiter in the right location.

Catching them taking off and landing is going to be the easy way to keep them under control.

[Dichotomy]

*squeaky voice on comms*

'I want to take a B29 to bomb the strats and I need escorts till I get high enough'

*radio silence*

5 minutes later

'Can anybody HEAR ME? I WANNA TAKE A B29 TO BOMB THE STRATS AND I NEED ESCORTS.. SOMEBODY COME HELP ME'

*radio silence*

'!#%!@!$% help me get away from my base you guys!!!!'

*silence*

'!@%! you guys all su!%!!!% and are a bunch of !%@#%!  I'm taking off anyway'

[Jayhawk]

here is a dumb question only vaguely on point, why is the 163 field limited? to the best of my knowledge it does not need a longer or better air field from which to launch from, so why restrict it to just one base?

lets start with a little honesty, personally i didn't vote for the B-29 and i personally think it is a ridiculous and absurd decision to even consider putting it in the game while there are so many other glaringly gaping holes in the plane/vehicle line up. i feel that the B-29 shall prove itself to be an albatross strung around the necks of those who play in the LWA's. just one example of this will be that someone will up the bird with full fuel and bombs, climb to the heavens, go to the enemy capital that is suffering from the highest ENY and because of our laser guided smart bombs will with the minimum amount of ord needed, drop first the FH for the 163 and then put down DAR. they will then sit on station and maintain this DAR black out for what, if done properly, could be hours. now doesn't that just sound like soooooooo much fun? people get all touchy and mad about the DAR failing to work properly in some areas cause they cant see the enemy for a few minutes, imagine how much you'll enjoy flying completely blind for half the day. although maybe I'm wrong about that, half the people in the MA's seem to go out of their way to avoid a fight as it is, so flying against a blind enemy will be heaven for them. endless hours of porking undefended bases......they must be wetting their pants with anticipation!

well that is why i suggest leveling the playing field, if these ridiculous game changing bombers can up from it then the 163 should be used as a check and balance tool. tit for tat so to speak.

Sorry I'm a little late on reading these but I have to ask about your scenarios.  In your first one, do you mean dropping HQ to get rid of radar?  If so, than yes, HQ raids could have an impact (of course that B-29 can't do much about goons resupplying that HQ).  If you just mean the dar of the 163 field, I fail to see how this will make the bomber a "game changer."  The same goes for bombing undefended bases, how is this a game changer?  I can understand the whole "fill the gaps" argument, though I also have my reasons to refute that. 

How can a B-29 drop a field or town in one pass?  People keep talking about this, but no one has yet to show me the magic route across a field to do so.

[Karnak]

but the B29 is far more game changing than the 163 could ever be. 20 163's cant down a town and a base in one pass, the B29 carries enough ord to do more than one.

in comparison the 163 would be a pesky knat to most arena game play, much like the 262 is currently. the B29 will be used as a hammer and it will, if unapposed, smash the fights down at every base a fight shows up at.

The B-29 is a slightly better B-17 in terms of game impact.  The Me163, if widely available, is gameplay destroying for anybody interested in air-to-air combat over ground taking.

The two aren't even remotely in the same league.

[Beefcake]

I really hope the B29 isn't limited to rear fields only. On some of these large maps it can be an hour flight to the front lines and I just don't have time for that, plus my computer likes to BSOD whenever I'm midway through one of those long flights. I think HTC should add some longer runways to some of the rear fields for those that want to lift off with a full load but the B29 should be enable everywhere else as a "use at your own risk" plane.

[FLOTSOM]

Sorry I'm a little late on reading these but I have to ask about your scenarios.  In your first one, do you mean dropping HQ to get rid of radar?  If so, than yes, HQ raids could have an impact (of course that B-29 can't do much about goons resupplying that HQ).  If you just mean the dar of the 163 field, I fail to see how this will make the bomber a "game changer."  The same goes for bombing undefended bases, how is this a game changer?  I can understand the whole "fill the gaps" argument, though I also have my reasons to refute that. 

How can a B-29 drop a field or town in one pass?  People keep talking about this, but no one has yet to show me the magic route across a field to do so.

well i based that statement upon those others in many threads who have discussed how much ord the B29 can carry. now as these people were inspired by the alleged ability of the B29 and of what they felt it would be capable of, if they exaggerated, well then shame on me for believing that bomber jocks might know what they were talking about. my bad. I'm not a bomber jock so the how was irrelevant to me, i took them at their understanding of what they could accomplish with a full load out.

why would i consider putting down the dar ring around the 163 base relevant in an over all manner? i thought in my comment i was clear that i was talking about putting down country wide radar, if i used the wrong words to impart my point then i stand corrected in my grammar but not in my point.

The B-29 is a slightly better B-17 in terms of game impact.  The Me163, if widely available, is gameplay destroying for anybody interested in air-to-air combat over ground taking.

The two aren't even remotely in the same league.

163

single seater single plane

limited fuel (Full throttle fuel range is only 6.5 minutes)

limited time in the air and travel distance

limited destructive capability as it carries only 2 30mm cannons with 60 rounds each

at most the 163 is a pest in any furball, and a short lived pest at that.

if the pilot chooses to drop his alt and stay close to the ground where most furballs take place then his natural advantage of speed disappears quickly as he will either have to burn alot of fuel climbing back out or he will be limited to slow speed turn fighting. he cannot single handedly drop all of the hangers at a base, actually the 120 rounds he carries is not enough ord to drop even a single hanger.

B29

potential formation (unknown at this time what HTC will do)

abundant fuel capability for hours of flight and linger time

Payload 20,000 Pounds (i am assuming that some of this must be used for fuel) Wing Bomb Capacity pounds: 22,000
(b17 in game heaviest load out is 6 X 1000lbs bombs making it not a comparable craft. how do you claim that the 6000 pounds of the B17 is only slightly different than the 22,000 pounds carried just on the wings of the B29? if i missed something or i am mistaken in my ideas of what the load carrying ability of bombers are feel free to correct me)

destructive capability is based upon potential load out, but even 2 bombers are potentially capable of carrying enough ord to drop a bomb per building in a town. or if the bombers choose instead to fly over an enemy HQ they can potentially put down the radar leaving the enemy blind.

or a single B29, again depending on load out, could drop all of the hangers at any base and then remain on station for a prolonged period of time to ensure said hangers remain down.

if they are allowed to fly formations then litterally 1 formation of 3 bombers carries a minimum of 66,000 pounds of bombs just on their wing mounts, with the potential, as offset by fuel, of carrying up to another 60,000 pounds internally.

how does this not change the face of war?

how is it possible to compare a 163's game changing 5 minute 120 round potential to the single B29's potential hours on station and 42,000 pound bomb load????

now again i state that my knowledge of bombers and their potential load out is limited, so if i have misread or am inacurate in what the meaning of what i read actually ment then correct me.

[Karnak]

FLOTSAM,

No, they are not pests in a furball.  They completely alter the dynamic as you have to constantly expand your SA way out to account for the 600mph rocket or jet.

I will gladly HO an Me262 or Me163 in my Mossie to remove it from the fight so that we can actually have a fight.

Damage to ground targets is meaningless in comparison.


B-29's heaviest load is forty 500lb bombs.  The 22,000lb bombs under the wing were post war.  None of that 20,000lbs is fuel, just as none of the Lancaster's 14,000lbs is fuel.  The B-29 will have formations in AH.

[FLOTSOM]

FLOTSAM,

No, they are not pests in a furball.  They completely alter the dynamic as you have to constantly expand your SA way out to account for the 600mph rocket or jet.

I will gladly HO an Me262 or Me163 in my Mossie to remove it from the fight so that we can actually have a fight.

Agreed, to a point. i have flown with multiple enemy 163's is the area and find it fun to provoke them and try to pull them down below the alt of friendlies flying in 51's tempies 190's etc. they are short lived pests if they are caught unawares of the danger of being 4000 or 5000 feet below one of these rides, if they are smart enough not to fall for the bait then they are still just short term pests. a 262 posses a much longer and greater general B&Z threat to any furball than the 163, but so does a 51 tempest dora TA152 competantly flown spit F4u etc. its only the preceived status of the 163 that makes people jump, if they actually get over their own fear of the lil bug and just pay attention (as they should be anyways) then they should be fine.

this fact of the mental image being worse than the reality of what your encountering, i myself have proven many times over. i take a dora 51 or a 152 and boom back and forth through enemy flights of planes, normally without bothering to pull the trigger. in short moments i get them to scatter and then to start to chase me. then when they are in a gaggle concentrating on killing that horrible B&Z bastage who dared fly through them, my friendlies swoop in and decimate their ranks. last week i was responsible for the set up and destruction of 14 enemy planes in just 1 flight. so the moral to my ramble is that if you shoot down a 190 flying in a really irrational manner and the system tells you you have just shot down FLOTSOM.......well that is the systems way of saying CHECK 6 i have watched on many occassions when people have used 262's mossies tempies to do this exact same thing, the mental damage it does is far worse than most pilots will ever accoplish physically (Grizz m00t and a very limited few others excluded

Damage to ground targets is meaningless in comparison.


B-29's heaviest load is forty 500lb bombs.  The 22,000lb bombs under the wing were post war.  None of that 20,000lbs is fuel, just as none of the Lancaster's 14,000lbs is fuel.  The B-29 will have formations in AH.

thanks for the clarification, but this is still a considerable amount of damage that can be delivered by one person. it is 60,000 pounds of ord, at the 500lbs bomb size that is 120 individual bombs in one formation. when it is taken into account that it will likely fly high and fast, unless multiple players are willing to remain flying at their planes ceiling on mind numbing B29 patrol then there will be no catching or defending against the B29. so unless you have alot of volunteers who have nothing better they would rather be doing with their time than floating around in the nose bleeds staring at the clouds then the only fast responce defensive system that could be made available is the 163, if it is made locally deployable that is. the 262 stands a good chance of filling this roll but the cost in perk points is going to drastically limit its availability.

[Jayhawk]

well i based that statement upon those others in many threads who have discussed how much ord the B29 can carry. now as these people were inspired by the alleged ability of the B29 and of what they felt it would be capable of, if they exaggerated, well then shame on me for believing that bomber jocks might know what they were talking about. my bad. I'm not a bomber jock so the how was irrelevant to me, i took them at their understanding of what they could accomplish with a full load out.

why would i consider putting down the dar ring around the 163 base relevant in an over all manner? i thought in my comment i was clear that i was talking about putting down country wide radar, if i used the wrong words to impart my point then i stand corrected in my grammar but not in my point.
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destructive capability is based upon potential load out, but even 2 bombers are potentially capable of carrying enough ord to drop a bomb per building in a town. or if the bombers choose instead to fly over an enemy HQ they can potentially put down the radar leaving the enemy blind.

or a single B29, again depending on load out, could drop all of the hangers at any base and then remain on station for a prolonged period of time to ensure said hangers remain down.

if they are allowed to fly formations then litterally 1 formation of 3 bombers carries a minimum of 66,000 pounds of bombs just on their wing mounts, with the potential, as offset by fuel, of carrying up to another 60,000 pounds internally.

how does this not change the face of war?

how is it possible to compare a 163's game changing 5 minute 120 round potential to the single B29's potential hours on station and 42,000 pound bomb load????

now again i state that my knowledge of bombers and their potential load out is limited, so if i have misread or am inacurate in what the meaning of what i read actually ment then correct me.

     I don't know what HTC will make available for a bomb load, but if all the talk is correct, 40 x 500lb will be a common load out.  Destructive, sure, but amount of ord doesn't mean this bomber can inflict so much more damage on a single pass than any other heavy bomber we currently have.  Let's say I take a Lancaster up with 14 x 1000lbs x 3 planes = 42,000 lbs of ord.  Now I'm not positive on this part, but isn't taking down the HQ take 37,000 lbs?  Technically, a single pilot in the Lancaster should be able to take down the HQ, but how often does that happen?  Two pilots should easily be able to do it, so why does it only happen every once in a while, and usually only with a large raid?  There are many factors, including the puffy ack hitting the bombers, the 163s which even in the hands of an amateur like me can be dangerous for slow level bombers, and most importantly, getting every bomb to impact the HQ is difficult.  Even at a delay of 0.05, all the bombs can't get out in time to hit the target. Also, there is a little scatter in your bombs, especially at 30,000 feet.  The 91st usually takes 1000 lbers to drop on target rather than 500 lbers if we're going to be dropping at a higher altitude. 

     As for fields, even a B-17 can take down all the fighter hangers and vehicle hangers at a small field with 12 x 500 lbs, but not in a single pass.  Bombs fall under a bomber, and a bomber flies over a target in a relatively strait line.  Show me on this large field how you can drop all the fighter hangers in a single pass with as many ord as you want.



I can't see how you can do it in less than 3 passes, and considering it takes about 5 minutes to go out, turn around, and recalibrate (not to mention getting a new line up on multiple targets); you could only prevent fighters from upping for a max time of 5 minutes.  That 5 minutes assumes perfect line-ups and perfect calibrations; difficult after a tight turn.

     I haven't heard any good bomber pilot exaggerate what can be done with this plane.  I've heard many doomsayer's predictions about the plane, but not a good pilot thinking he can take down an entire field in a single pass.  The bomber pilots I've talked too are excited about the B-29, but realistic about it's capabilities.