Sir, We need to do a body scan..."No Thank You"

[quig]

I can't believe how many people would just up and toejam all over the US Constitution these days.

And I can't help but to think about how much better off this country would be without them.

[Vudak]

the constitution and the bill of rights is written in a vague and abstract manner so that it can be molded and modified to fit the changing times.

Sorry Flotsom, but you are completely wrong.  I suggest you research:

1. England's unwritten constitution that could be "molded and modified to fit the changing times;"

2. The serious problems this caused;

3. Why these problems compelled our founding fathers to write our Constitution down; and

4. Why they included specific instructions for how to amend the Constitution (via AMENDMENTS) to deal with "changing times."

[68ZooM]

Vudak thanks for responding  you saved me some typing

[Shuffler]

Can I carry my gun on this "freedom" flight?

If your licensed to carry where you are and where you are going.

[68ZooM]

If your licensed to carry where you are and where you are going.

only way to do that is a Federal CWP  do they have those regular citizens and not just Law enforcement

[FLOTSOM]

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html

tell me anything stated in an exacting fashion that is set in stone within these documents. everything written such as "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures," the fourth Amendment, does not say what an "unreasonable search is. instead it says it in a vague manner allowing for changes in time circumstances and opinions of the people to change. this is what i mean by vague, and every part of both the Constitution and The Bill of Rights is written in this fluid and modifiable manner. every part of it is made to be changed by prevailing opinions of interpretation.

this is also why we have a president style of court system. judges do not just read the law as written but also read the law in light of the prior rulings of other judicial bodies on that law. the actual interpretation and applicability of any and every law under the specific case circumstances is left to the trier of fact and the jury themselves.

this manner of government and law is designed to survive the test of time and the winds of change while still maintaining a relevant value to both its original intent and an ever changing world.

[dedalos]

Just fill the planes with nude pictures.  That should stop any religious fanatics from even boarding the plane.

Ahhhh, the simple solutions.  Go ahead, ask me something else 

[68ZooM]

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html

tell me anything stated in an exacting fashion that is set in stone within these documents. everything written such as "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures," the fourth Amendment, does not say what an "unreasonable search is. instead it says it in a vague manner allowing for changes in time circumstances and opinions of the people to change. this is what i mean by vague, and every part of both the Constitution and The Bill of Rights is written in this fluid and modifiable manner. every part of it is made to be changed by prevailing opinions of interpretation.

this is also why we have a president style of court system. judges do not just read the law as written but also read the law in light of the prior rulings of other judicial bodies on that law. the actual interpretation and applicability of any and every law under the specific case circumstances is left to the trier of fact and the jury themselves.

this manner of government and law is designed to survive the test of time and the winds of change while still maintaining a relevant value to both its original intent and an ever changing world.

OK under your logic, Gov, Cops anyone with a "official" title can search your person place or anything you own at anytime and your just fine with that, unreasonable search would be me walking into a public place and being told i have to be searched because i might be a bad guy, or driving down the road and being pulled over and me and my car ransacked because i looked suspicious whats next  Malls? sporting events? anyplace where more than a certain number of people congregate to keep us all safe?   wow what a Parinoid Nation we have become

[Vudak]

What was meant to be done, and what has been done are very different things.  If you ever put in an advanced study of our history, you'd probably walk away disgusted with what has happened to our Constitution.

At the very least, you would definitely dispute your quote: "every part of it is made to be changed by prevailing opinions of interpretation."

Just because a text book or teacher says so does not make it so.  Go read the primary sources.

[Dichotomy]

Zoom we're pretty much already there.  See 'implied consent' in Texas Traffic laws. 

[FLOTSOM]

What was meant to be done, and what has been done are very different things.  If you ever put in an advanced study of our history, you'd probably walk away disgusted with what has happened to our Constitution.

At the very least, you would definitely dispute your quote: "every part of it is made to be changed by prevailing opinions of interpretation."

Just because a text book or teacher says so does not make it so.  Go read the primary sources.

well Vudak i have actually read alot. and one thing that is prevelant throught all of the things i have read is that each state and their representatives had their own opinions and their own personalities that they were unwilling to allow to be stepped on. thus the documents of government were drafted in a fashion that allowed for individual interpretation of an inteligent person. this individual interpretation should, if all of the readers are intelligent arrive at close to the same conclussions.

OK under your logic, Gov, Cops anyone with a "official" title can search your person place or anything you own at anytime and your just fine with that, unreasonable search would be me walking into a public place and being told i have to be searched because i might be a bad guy, or driving down the road and being pulled over and me and my car ransacked because i looked suspicious whats next  Malls? sporting events? anyplace where more than a certain number of people congregate to keep us all safe?   wow what a Parinoid Nation we have become

why dont you spend a few days reading court papers and you will find at least one of every issue that you have named found to be both reasonable and unreasonable. they are dealt with on a case by case basis.

for one simple example walk into a "mall" and act like you are hiding something being sneaky or are up to no good....its called reasonable suspicion and it can and has been based upon the manner in which you are acting.

anyways, read, dont read. your choice. but please dont tell me what is or isnt when the proof to contradict you is plainly written in the documents you so readily turn to for support.

[Somerled]

And don't get me started on the interstate commerce clause! 

[FLOTSOM]

And don't get me started on the interstate commerce clause! 

the bane of every illegal dealer of any kind very fluid article considering its original intent was to ensure trade amongst the states as well as regulating the prices and growth practices of things such as corn and wheat ect.

[Somerled]

its the abuse of that clause that allows so much federal involvement in things that have nothing to do with trade.

[Vudak]

Flotsom, it's not even worth arguing with you.  You clearly don't get it.