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Offline VonMessa

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Re: Upgrading My Beer Making Stuff
« Reply #90 on: February 18, 2011, 01:46:06 PM »
I was thinking about getting the BCS-460 to control the brew day and running a thermocouple from the fridge to the controller , also.

The I can control everything from the computer, regardless of where I am.    :x
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Re: Upgrading My Beer Making Stuff
« Reply #91 on: February 18, 2011, 02:39:05 PM »
WOW, for what it does, that's a nice price.  Even the relays and probes are reasonable.  Looks like a darn good investment.  I wonder if the wires on the probes can be extended, if not, your just gonna have to keep the fridge real close to your desk.  I know, bummer, right?
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« Reply #92 on: February 18, 2011, 03:06:45 PM »
Hell, I can set it up to run anything I want.

Solenoid valves, heating elements, etc.  As long as I use solid state relays, I can power whatever I want with it.

<enter dream sequence>

I'm at work.  I log into the BCS from my office PC.  I tell it to open the water valve until I get X gallons in the HLT.  When that temp is reached, heat same water to strike temp, open valve on HLT and turn on pump sending ot to the mash tun which I conveniently filled with the grain bill before I left for work that morning .

Shut off HLT, turn motorized mash paddle on, stir for X minutes and the open all valves involved in recirculating the mash, sending it through the Heat Exchanger and doing whatever temp steps I tell it to.

Finish mash, send to boil kettle, sparge (with more water from the HLT) and send that to boil kettle.  This is about the time I get home from work, fire up the boiler (which could also be automated) and start the timer for hops additions.

<end dream sequence>

See where I am going with all that?   :devil
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Re: Upgrading My Beer Making Stuff
« Reply #93 on: February 20, 2011, 12:35:01 PM »
Well, as I tell my wife, hit the lotto so I can have a nano brew system in my basement...she never complies of course...  :joystick: 

Hey, how the hell did I ever get by without a bottle tree? 
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Re: Upgrading My Beer Making Stuff
« Reply #94 on: February 20, 2011, 12:44:35 PM »
Well, as I tell my wife, hit the lotto so I can have a nano brew system in my basement...she never complies of course...  :joystick: 

Hey, how the hell did I ever get by without a bottle tree? 

wife has a funny name for mine.

calls it the "dishwasher"...    :headscratch:
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Re: Upgrading My Beer Making Stuff
« Reply #95 on: February 24, 2011, 03:43:49 PM »
Man, I started storing my bottles on this thing with a trash bag over it. It keeps my stuff a bit cleaner than the boxes used to. 

Brewing a Hefe this weekend in anticipation of some warm days ahead.  The byo recipe for the new Belgium ranger clone is pretty damn good.  Great hops aroma, fruity, nice clean finish.  very good recipe. 
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Re: Upgrading My Beer Making Stuff
« Reply #96 on: February 27, 2011, 05:13:54 AM »
I'm a sucker for a good hefe  :aok
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Re: Upgrading My Beer Making Stuff
« Reply #97 on: February 27, 2011, 07:52:49 AM »
I'm a sucker for a good hefe  :aok

Blasphemer!!   :devil
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« Reply #98 on: March 02, 2011, 07:24:37 AM »
Blasphemer!!   :devil

I guess I'll be doing a lot of blaspheming, soon  :devil


Drilled holes in kegs and took them to welder




Had Braumeister Todd make a new hop bag (got tired of buying muslin "socks" from LHBS store.  PVC coupling, hose clamp, 3/8" all-thread, 5-gal. nylon paint strainer.





Got the kegs back from welder



New HERMS coil  :rock




So far, it holds temp within 5-7 deg. of what the HLT reads when I recirculate.  Still need to put sight glass back on kegs.

Should be ready for brewing on Sunday   :x

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Re: Upgrading My Beer Making Stuff
« Reply #99 on: March 04, 2011, 11:33:18 AM »
Ok man, is that your mash tun?  I am trying to figure out your system there.  Or, is that you boil pot?

What is HERMS coil?  Your chiller?
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Re: Upgrading My Beer Making Stuff
« Reply #100 on: March 04, 2011, 12:50:33 PM »
Ok man, is that your mash tun?  I am trying to figure out your system there.  Or, is that you boil pot?

What is HERMS coil?  Your chiller?

Green cooler is mash tun.

Keg with coil in it is the Hot Liquor Tank which hold the strike/sparge water.

The coil is the HERMS

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I use BeerSmith to calculate my temps and volumes needed for total water.

I fill the HLT with all of the water I'll need for the recipe for the day and heat it to strike temp.

Pump strike volume into mash tun to preheat it.

Add grain, stir, etc. while keeping burner on HLT to maintain temp.

From the mash tun, I can pump to either Boil Kettle or recirculate back to mash tun.  I used to recirculate directly back into the mash tun, but if strike temps were off or I gave BeerSmith incorrect info, it would screw up my attempt at getting to target temp.  That creates it's own set of issues such as: temp too low and I'm collecting wort into a separate pot, running upstairs to the stove, heating it up (and guessing at this point, because the computer is on 3rd flr) so it becomes a situation of trial and error and a lot of luck.  If temps were too high (which could denature the enzymes I need for conversion if above 168 deg F), I can add cold water, but again, I'm guessing at how much.  If I drop it too low, I'm back to problem #1.  Also you run the risk of diluting your enzymes too much and not having good conversion rates.

With the addition of the HERMS coil,  can now recirculate the mash through that coil (which is immersed in hot water in the HLT which I will later use for sparging) and by controlling the temp of the water in the HLT, I can have better control of my mash temps.  In essence, it is the reverse of a chiller.  Instead of running cold water through it to chill the wort, I use it to pick-up heat to maintain my mash temp more consistently without the guess work and without screwing up my water to grain ratio.  I've only had a chance to test it once so far, but it seems that there is about a 5-10 degree difference between the HLT water temp and the output of the coil which isn't bad.  I just adjust the flame on the HLT with regard to the temp I am getting at the output of the coil. 

It sounds complicated but, the fast and dirty explanation is that it gives me better control of mash temps which, in turn, should give me better efficiency.  I still only batch sparge, but I'm hoping to see at least 5-10% increase in brewhouse efficiency, and omit a lot of hassle.  This is not to say that all of this is necessary to make good beer.  I started out by carrying hot water from the kitchen to the mash tun on the back porch and gravity feeding to the BK, then carrying the 12 gallons down to the basement...

Eventually, I will slowly automate to the point where I can babysit the process.   That way I can fabricate parts for my plane while the beer is brewing  :aok

 
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Re: Upgrading My Beer Making Stuff
« Reply #101 on: March 08, 2011, 08:12:22 AM »
 :rock









I hit and held temps within 1 degree!  Science, it works, biatches  :lol



Even with a 75 minute mash and a 90 minute boil, the brew day still went smoother, even with Dr. Hopface being an ass  :x



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Re: Upgrading My Beer Making Stuff
« Reply #102 on: March 09, 2011, 06:16:55 AM »


Weather has been horrible here.  Got bored on Saturday and made a Mash Paddle.  Tried it out on Sunday, worked well.  Stirred without getting crap everywhere. Now I feel less bush league than when I was using a plastic spoon.  It is red oak, charred to remove some of the surface oils and treated with mineral oil.  Not a HERMs coil, but progress none the less. (Edit: It works great on kids too!)

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I am brewing a clone of new belgiums abbey ale next week.  I think that with this one I might have enough of an understanding of tastes to try to brew my own receipe.  I have modified existing ones, never drawn one up from scratch.  Some dude sent me a link that has enabled me to grasp the process in a bit more detail than I have in the past.   :cheers:

Since I move around a lot, I think I am going to run a rig like yours, but in a bit smaller dimensions to stay at the 5 gallon batch size.  This thread ought to be sticky!

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Re: Upgrading My Beer Making Stuff
« Reply #103 on: March 09, 2011, 06:23:15 AM »


The Ol' plastic spoon will find a place (hallowed of course) in my beer kit.  Will have to put it out now and then for nostalgias sake.  

Nearly forgot to ask, what pump are you using to circulate? March?

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Re: Upgrading My Beer Making Stuff
« Reply #104 on: March 09, 2011, 09:33:39 PM »
 :rofl

I don't even have a mash paddle or rake.  Still working on it  :aok

Yep, March.  Gets lots of use.

Just made a 3 gallon starter, today.  Going to get some yeast going with 1/2 gal and freeze the rest of the wort to use for future starters, maybe even do some  yeast ranching and stop buying it.
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