Author Topic: Need opinions on this new upgrade: (Read 1241 times)

Cyan · « **Reply #15 on:** December 17, 2001, 07:15:00 PM »

ROFLMFAO!!!

Great one...Ok Ok Ok...I am buying an AMD NOW!

Phew and to think I was so mislead!!!

214thCavalier · « **Reply #16 on:** December 17, 2001, 07:43:00 PM »

Cyan if your putting systems into companies and want the least risk of a comeback then most belt n braces types would of course fit the Intel.
But we are talking best bang for the buck for Gaming.
AMD XP cpu's kick butt big time with Intel, slower clock speeds yes, but better chip design overcomes that.
Why do more people buy Intel ?
Cos they are brain dead sheep generally

Follow the big advertising budget no matter what blatant lies they spew forth at times

95% of people believe that MHZ rating is the only rating to think about when buying a computer or CPU, its only the likes of us who generally appreciate the differences.
Basically saying that Intel is better because they sell more units is errmmm false,misleading,untrue,crap,misrepresentation and err just plain wrong.

Sox62 · « **Reply #17 on:** December 17, 2001, 09:36:00 PM »

I used to be an Intel guy,but that has changed.
Check out the links below benchmarking various cpu's from Intel and AMD.

http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q4/011031/index.html

Both are fine cpu's.But you'll save money with the AMD,and it outperforms Intel in what is in MHO the most important thing...gaming performace.

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Cyan · « **Reply #18 on:** December 18, 2001, 10:28:00 AM »

I have seen benchmarks done by a plethora of companies and analyst groups showing side by side comparisons. Some showing Intel wins and some showing AMD wins.

I guess I am still pushing the Intel angle...for now anyways.

Thanks for the great Debate guys...its a blast knowing that I game with such smart guys...makes debating more fun.

Cheers! and Happy Flying.

Cyan

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Animal · « **Reply #19 on:** December 18, 2001, 04:45:00 PM »

I see your point Cyan, and if I had a company I'd buy Intel just to make sure.
But for a gaming system, why get Intel if you can get AMD much cheaper and faster on most games.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #20 on:** December 18, 2001, 05:03:00 PM »

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If AMD is so much superior why do all the top Graphic Design groups insist on Intels?

I thought all the top graphic design groups used Macs?

The P4 is a good chip with alot of room for growth... but to say it outperforms the Athlon+ is a stretch. The Athlon outperforms it and is cheaper.

Whether or not Intel is more reliable is virtually irrelivant with this group of people. Somehow "just buy another one" became acceptable when things go wrong. As long as the $$$ permit it... why would people care about reliablity?

AKDejaVu

-ammo- · « **Reply #21 on:** December 18, 2001, 09:56:00 PM »

Hi RIP, I bought all that in my signature (with the exception of the Geforce 3) for $565. Got everything including a case from United Micro except the DDR RAM, Crucial all the way on the memory. My PC smokes man, been good to me. I even got the CDrom and HD in that $565. I said all that, now go compare at newegg, they are cheaper. As far as the difference, I have owned a few intel machines and this AMD machine is more stable. Now, I put this together myself and didnt buy a dell/gateway/mocron like I did with the pentium machines. They hjad all the crap you can get stuffed in to your display. Mine is a bare bones Aces High monster now with that Geforce 3.

Good luck bud. You reall ougfhta consider a VIA 266a motherboard though .

Animal · « **Reply #22 on:** December 18, 2001, 10:07:00 PM »

I trust DejaVu's words, specially coming from an Intel employee.
No bias, no roadkill, not masculinity.

I envy ammo's PC very much. Its a beast, I couldnt think of better parts for it. He did his homework on this bbs.

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bloom25 · « **Reply #23 on:** December 19, 2001, 10:39:00 AM »

Cyan, if you were an engineer, you'd hide that P4 "feature list".

(I hate to tell you but "hyperpipelined" is NOT a good thing performance-wise.)

Honestly either CPU is a fine choice, BUT the AMD Athlon XP is faster and cheaper than the Pentium 4. That is not a fact that is in dispute.

I've built both Intel and AMD systems in the past and my honest opinion is that the AMD systems CAN be a little bit harder to setup on a VIA chipset board. Once you get it right though, they are rock-solid stable. I just did an Athlon on an nForce board last night and it was EXTREMELY easy to setup and incredibly stable.

The reason Intel dominates on the OEM stage is their intensive advertising and name recognition. (The fact that Intel is not exactly known for being kind to companies that drop them for AMD might be a reason too.

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One extremely nice feature of the Athlon and Duron processors is the fact that all of them fit in the same socket (socket A). This makes the system much more upgradable than Intel boards, as Intel has a habit of switching sockets every few months. Ex: Socket 423 to Socket 478 switch for P4. Slot 1 to Socket 370 for Celeron and P3. Tualitin P3s are also not compatible with current socket 370 boards. Now if you go and add the Rambus factor, it's not hard to see why the "enthusist market" is firmly on the side of AMD.

Wanker · « **Reply #24 on:** December 19, 2001, 11:37:00 AM »

Rip, if you go with the AMD CPU, order one of these bad boys to keep it cool:

Swiftech MCX370 http://www.swiftnets.com/

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Cyan · « **Reply #25 on:** December 19, 2001, 11:56:00 AM »

Not an Engineer...at least I don't have a pocket protector and a slide ruler on me.

As for the upgradeability I couldn't agree more...bah I hate when I have to agree with people....

As for the AMD....for now I am sticking with the P4....maybe I will buy another AMD just for kicks and tricks to mess with....It's been awhile since I owned one, even though I still build them on a regular basis.

Cheers!

Animal · « **Reply #26 on:** December 19, 2001, 01:20:00 PM »

Cyan, next time try AMD. Its a whole different thing than back with the K6 chips that were awfully toejamty.

Anyways it doesnt hurty to try different things. Ive been an nVidia man since the TNT 1, and Im buying a Radeon 8500.

I know its problems, but just to TRY and like it. Maybe I will.

Cyan · « **Reply #27 on:** December 19, 2001, 03:56:00 PM »

Aye Animal,

I am also looking at the Radeon 8500...it looks awefully sweet!!!

And I too have been an Nvidia man for along time...

stantond · « **Reply #28 on:** December 20, 2001, 07:04:00 AM »

I noticed no one mentioned that AMD chips have Direct 3D microcode instructions in their processor instruction set. This will (and does) allow AMD chips to out perform Intel processors in direct 3D graphics. That means an AMD XP1500 (w/DDR ram) system should outperform a pentium 4 1.5 GHz (w/RIMM) in frame rates.

Btw, I use Intel.

Ledz

Fishu · « **Reply #29 on:** December 20, 2001, 09:26:00 AM »

I bought couple days ago XP 1600+ and Soltek SL75DRV2 mobo.

Mobo seems quite good, not bad at all considering its price - which is way below any ASUS/ABIT
Too bad, distributing in US is quite weak in comparison to Europe/Asia, but SL75DRV2 has had very good reviews. http://www.tomshardware.com (somewhere there in 13 mobo tests) http://www.lostcircuits.com /easily found)

In local hardware geek forums I've heard bad about Abit boards though.
Well, not exactly extremely bad but that those are less stable than many other KT266A chipset boards.