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Offline Ripsnort

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« on: December 17, 2001, 08:24:00 AM »
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ABIT KG-7 (SUPPORT DURON / ATHLON, 266MHz FSB, DDR)
Price: $129.00

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AMD K7 ATHLON XP 1700 (OEM)
Price: $169.00

This is from a locally Korean owned store I've used for my computer gear for about 7 years now.

I'm an Intel user and have never used AMD, are they better than their questionable quality from about 5 years ago?

I plan to install my old gear (PC-133 Ram, GeForce 2 Vid card, SB Live) into this new box...

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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2001, 09:30:00 AM »
Great! I am using a similar setup, except that my CPU is not an XP model. Its an 1.4Ghz overclocked to 1.5Ghz.
This motherboard is great, but I'd say that if you can, get an KR-7 wich is the new model, with a significant memory speed.

But even if you cant get that one, the KG7 is a sweetheart.

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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2001, 09:54:00 AM »
u will need DDR ram, dont think PC133 will work in a DDR MB.

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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
MB:                                          
ABIT KG-7 (SUPPORT DURON / ATHLON, 266MHz FSB, DDR)
Price: $129.00

CPU:
AMD K7 ATHLON XP 1700 (OEM)
Price: $169.00

This is from a locally Korean owned store I've used for my computer gear for about 7 years now.

I'm an Intel user and have never used AMD, are they better than their questionable quality from about 5 years ago?

I plan to install my old gear (PC-133 Ram, GeForce 2 Vid card, SB Live) into this new box...

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« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2001, 10:26:00 AM »
Thks for feedback guys, thks Whels, did not know that.

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« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2001, 11:39:00 AM »
Looks good. Whels is right about the RAM. Other than that everything should swap over fine.

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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2001, 04:28:00 PM »
If you're planning on using DDR ram,I'd take a look at boards based on the new 266a chipset from via.Significantly faster then the 266 chipset.
 The Soyo Dragon Plus looks to be a winner.Check out the link below...11 are tested,along with two nforce boards.

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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2001, 05:18:00 PM »
Just an opinion....  ;)

Intel P4 1.7 mhz
Abit TH7 (though I prefer many other boards over ABIT)
will cost you only 385 bucks at United Micro

Your same AMD setup at United Micro is 320...I am not sure the deal you are getting...but for the additional 65 bucks their is no way I would buy an AMD.

Though AMD is a decent chip it is no way as compatable as the Pentium....Mainly becuase most programmers and hardware folks make their stuff with the Pentium archetecture in mind especially since Intel is the industry leader...I would love for that to switch one day...but that is my personal opinion.

Cheers! and I hope this helps...I have always liked AMD but the Intel P4 chip is superior IMO.

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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2001, 05:26:00 PM »
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Just an opinion....   ;)

Intel P4 1.7 mhz
Abit TH7 (though I prefer many other boards over ABIT)
will cost you only 385 bucks at United Micro

Your same AMD setup at United Micro is 320...I am not sure the deal you are getting...but for the additional 65 bucks their is no way I would buy an AMD.

Though AMD is a decent chip it is no way as compatable as the Pentium....Mainly becuase most programmers and hardware folks make their stuff with the Pentium archetecture in mind especially since Intel is the industry leader...I would love for that to switch one day...but that is my personal opinion.

Cheers! and I hope this helps...I have always liked AMD but the Intel P4 chip is superior IMO.

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Don't listen to a word of that Rip. The P4 superior? bahahahaha. Only superior in price. And compatibility? Puhlleaze. I'm on my 4th Athlon system and I have never had one single compatibilty problem that was attributible to the CPU. My current system outperforms P4s of higher clockspeeds in benchmarks...and it was far cheaper.

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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2001, 06:19:00 PM »
If you are looking at any of the P4 chips prior to the P7 than I would agree with you...however the P7 introduced a new archetecture that makes the chip out-perform comparable K7 chips.

As for gaming issues...because a chips Mhz is faster doesn't necessarily mean the chip is faster for your game.  This is where AMD makes a statement.  This statement is true, however again..that statement was made prior to the launch of the P4 1.7mhz chip.

When you look at the mere 60+ dollar difference...their is no comparison in the two chips.  If AMD wants to continue to pursue the market as they had in the past they will need to get their chips back to the original 30 - 40% less than pentium prices.

I had AMD's and Cyrix chips for a long time running side by side with Pentinum chips...and a couple of things I noticed over the years...

1. Intels chips lasted longer (life wise) than the AMD and especially longer than the ever frying Cyrix chip.
2. Intels chips never conflicted with any hardware or software...try putting a WG 8port hub in a Cyrix or AMD system...BLAH nightmares!  among many other networking hardware pieces....this is why all MAJOR corps go with Intel.  If Intel and AMD or Cyrix where in the same league then all the big corps would go with them...It would save them a BUNDLE...

Fact is AMD is still proving itself...they make a good product..it needs to get better and faster on the Mhz side if they want to compete with Intel.  Cyrix is almost out of the game...(i believe they are even under new ownership).  Intel will continue to dominate because AMD is getting better.  If it were not for AMD Intel's chips would never get better...

Bottom Line - You want to buy AMD to support the cause...go ahead.....I did and will probably again.  But if the price is only a few dollars....my butt is buying the Intel all day long.  Its like arguing the difference between a Lexus and a Toyota...same car...same car company...but the lexus is soo much sweeter.....and so is the Intel.

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Introductory 1.4GHz. and 1.5GHz. Clock Speed with roadmap to 2GHz. and beyond

400MHz. "Quad Pumped" System Bus

"Hyper Pipelined" Technology - 20 stage pipeline depth for greater frequency capability

"Rapid Execution Engine" -  ALUs run at twice the speed of the core frequency

256K L2 Advanced Transfer Cache running at core processor speed

8K L1 Data Cache

Execution Trace Cache - Caches decoded Micro-Ops readying them for execution

Advanced Dynamic Execution - More efficient speculative out of order execution unit feeding execution engines

Enhanced Branch Prediction Capability - Compensates for the deeper pipeline's higher likelihood of mis-predicted branches

Streaming SIMD Extension 2 (SSE2) - 144 New instructions including 128bit SIMD Integer Arithmetic and 128bit double precision floating point instructions in addition to SSE and MMX instructions.

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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2001, 06:25:00 PM »
The Athlon XP beats any Intel processor so far, and has many more instructions. Programers dont program based on the CPU, that doesnt happen anymore, DirectX solved that.

The only programs you will not run with an Athlon, is the programs designed by Intel to show off what they can do and what the Athlon cant.

SSE 2 is usless if thats what you are refering to. It may add a framerate or two but the program has to be coded to take advantage of that.

FOR NOW, AMD is bar none the makers of the best consumer CPU's. If Intel makes a better one, then I will gladly buy Intel, but I doubt it, with their insanely high prices.

Rip: Go to www.crucial.com  for the RAM.
too bad you didnt make this choice a month ago when the RAM was at an all time low.

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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2001, 06:30:00 PM »
BTW - about hardware incompatibilites. OF COURSE you will get problems with CHEAP HARDWARE. DoUH!
The best hardware runs like a champ on AMD systems, even with my 150 front side bus.

And dont tell me that Intel's motherboards are the most stable and supported, thats bogus, they have had problems with their memory architecture etc, why the hell you think they dropped the ball on their precious RAMBUS. It was a fiasco, so they ended up doing the right thing, supporting DDR ram, wich AMD had done a long time before.

I remember when AMD and Cyrix chips were a nightmare, but you are talking about years ago. I used only intel back then. but things turned around. If intel improves, and AMD turns to toejam again, then I buy intel.

I buy quality, not companies.
Now go play with your Intel stock  ;)

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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2001, 06:33:00 PM »
Animal,

Firs, I agree with your Crucial Recommendation...bought 2gb of ram from them a week and a half ago....couldn't pass up the deal...and their CS is TOPS!!

As for your statements about the AMD chip...I disagree and so do most analysts in the PC market.  In most tests where the AMD came out of top it was in a custom built system compared to an integrated system running a Pentium from either Gateway or Dell.

If the AMD was so superior they would be selling alot more of them and at a higher cost..simple economics.  Fact is they are making huge strides "recent deal with Gateway and Dell that allow them to offer the K7 processor to their customers" but they are not their yet...this is a good thing because it will force either Intel to keep improving or force AMD to improve past Intel.  When that happens the price will go up, people will shift to the AMD as the standard and Intel will have their work cut-out for them.

If AMD is so much superior why do all the top Graphic Design groups insist on Intels?

If AMD is the top chip now...why do all Processor and RAM Hungry CAD systems come stock with Intel?

I want to agree....but I have to disagree with ya animal.

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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2001, 06:37:00 PM »
AMD all the way Rip, FLASK MPEG recording is the only thing the P4 is superior at.

If you want or need to keep the PC-133 sdram you can buy the ECS K7S5A mobo as it supports either ram. <but not in a mixed memory configuration>

It can be a real bear to setup properly but I have figured out a hassle free method to install and configure it.

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« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2001, 06:39:00 PM »
Stock...I don't need no Stinkin Stock   :eek:

No seriously, Animal.

You have a good point...and I to buy quality not companies...I have done this for many years and will continue to buy quality...I have to because my systems cannot drop on me or I am in deep ()*&!

AMD and Intel both play the clocking game where they put in components where each individual chip can perform its best...

But the fact remains that 10 times the number of Intel chips are sold.  And more high end users use Intel than any other chip out their...that speaks volumes.

Its no different than the linux v. microsoft argument.

Is linux more powerful?  Sure if you look at basic operations and stability!

Does linux out perform microsoft?  NO WAY...no where near.  MS has more software written for it and the games are far superior!

So who is best?  MS  why...Marketshare and Quality of the overall value...not one specific application.

Cheers!  :)

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« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2001, 06:55:00 PM »
Intel sells more because they can afford to hire 3 retarded blue guys and cute little cartoons with aliens.
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