DA / State of affairs?

[CAP1]

I guess we have different definitions of fighting Cap.  Picking a P47 tangled up with several 262s is not fighting.  All he had to do was wait and he would have his fight.  But instead, took advantage of the no icons to get a kill.  I left and had a blast somewhere else.  The AvA though, was left with 3 262s and 1 109 on one side vs 2 P47s on the other.  Great fun for all and big lessons learned by all I am sure.

Posting about the AvA over and over will do nothing for it.  People log in, the see the BS, and they leave.   

again, i know exactly who you're talking about. it's his mo, and is really the only way for him to kill. he is the exception, rather than the rule.

 i was in a fight with them.....started off as 3-1 then 4-2, then 3-1 and could've ended up as a 1-1, but the survivor chose to egress. that was hurri1 vs 109e.

 this week, it is only jets as i mentioned earlier. it is also much much more fun than i had expected it to be. had one fight down on the deck, that got below 150mph, and that dam thing is a handful at that low of a speed.

 if you're letting only 2 or 3 guys out of 20 or so ruin your fun, then maybe you're better off in the cess.....eerr......da

[dedalos]

 if you're letting only 2 or 3 guys out of 20 or so ruin your fun, then maybe you're better off in the cess.....eerr......da

Well, thats is all that was on at the time  .  BTW, I don't think you know who I am talking about or who was in the 262s.  Check with some tween engine pilits 

[321BAR]

What i love is that when i go to the DA, i kick everyone's butts cuz they dont know how to fight it feels like most DA regulars cant handle a good fight in the furball lake. i go in with my 51s and chew em up and spit em out.

[Steve]

So, tonight, I log on with the hopes of trying out the new updates (patch 0 as correctly stated by Pyro in another thread )  Of course, the Orange Arena is over-full and the Blue is the Vagina Map.  So I figured I would go to the DA (something I never do) and mix it up there a bit hoping to improve on the ACM (which I am NOT good at).  At the very least, pass some time until I can get into the Orange Arena (hopefully to any map other than square-no water map or vagina map).

As the only action was at Furball Lake and I had not 'challenged' any one to a pre-arranged duel, I went to the furball area.  I figured I would take the opportunity to fly a bird that often does not fare well in the MAIN and have some fun learning it.  I took a P40E and flew out from the Bish mountain out over the water toward the concentration of red dots, and when I get there......  Nothing but Spit16s, Tempests, a couple picking P51, and HOing 110.  I kid you not, there was as dude (who shall remain nameless) in a Tempy floating around on high zooming in for picks. A 110 (who shall remain nameless, made 4 straight HOs on a fellow bish).   Pony's and SPit16s diving in from the stratosphere to get picks at the DA lake!   

Now, I understand, that people can take ANY plane and that the DA is a good place to learn that plane.  But floating around in near outerspace, to Zoom in and get picks in the DA accomplishes exactly what?   

The DA was truly no different than any other main arena, except that perk birds are free.   

   to the DA score potatos.  May you live forever and land your kills for a massive AceHigh Reward.  I will forever cherish your name in the DA lights!   


 

Situation normal

[Shuffler]

DA lake is a playpen for the kids while the adults are flying in the mains.


The only part of the DA worth anything is the paired fields.

[CAP1]

Well, thats is all that was on at the time  .  BTW, I don't think you know who I am talking about or who was in the 262s.  Check with some tween engine pilits 

so you're not talkin about the ones i think you are?

if that's all thatr was on....then refer back to the pic of the disassembled 262 from the p-38 cockpit. i picked him. i picked him as he was climbing up from a pick.   so essentially, what i did, was to use his own tactics against him.
 in another fight, he ran from a co-alt merge. well...he dove away, expecting me to not follow. i did. when he finally gave up running, i got him. only because i was able to force him into the fight though.
 one of the others, i REALLY enjoy fighting. sure he gets loud sometimes, but he's a decent stick, and will never run from a fight....and on one occasion, i do believe he asked his squaddies to stay out, as upon watching the film, they were within4k to 6k during the entire fight.

[CAP1]

What i love is that when i go to the DA, i kick everyone's butts cuz they dont know how to fight it feels like most DA regulars cant handle a good fight in the furball lake. i go in with my 51s and chew em up and spit em out.

ya know/? i was watching film from the other night. i tagged you on a pass that i seriously overshot....and ya didn't go down. dammit!!!! you're supposed to drop outta the air!! your 262 was overmodeled, and mine was undermodeled!! 

[Melvin]

The DA can be a fun place to hang out, it all depends on the crowd.

Not to hijack, but this is a prime example of why the "cesspool" argument doesn't hold water with me.

You can have 500 people in an MA and the fights are great and the people are being cool.

You can have 12 people in the DA or AvA and it's a "cesspool" because of one or two people's attitudes. What gives?

<S> Melvin

[CAP1]

The DA can be a fun place to hang out, it all depends on the crowd.

Not to hijack, but this is a prime example of why the "cesspool" argument doesn't hold water with me.

You can have 500 people in an MA and the fights are great and the people are being cool.

You can have 12 people in the DA or AvA and it's a "cesspool" because of one or two people's attitudes. What gives?

<S> Melvin

they're all cesspools at some point in time.......

 mw was gettin that way, 'cause it was either gangrape, get bnz'd to death, or the bnz'r would run away once he lose his alt advantage......the couple times i forayed into lw, was pretty much the same. da, i go by what i read here. ava, i go in, and if i'm the only one there, i make things go boom till someone comes in to fight........

[Shuffler]

We were getting ganged in MW last night but had a ball trying to defend.

[321BAR]

ya know/? i was watching film from the other night. i tagged you on a pass that i seriously overshot....and ya didn't go down. dammit!!!! you're supposed to drop outta the air!! your 262 was overmodeled, and mine was undermodeled!! 

you know how i roll! invincible planes and unphased by taters

[Ardy123]

Why would you expect different behaviour to the MA when the motivations and rewards are exactly the same?

Implying there should be a different set of behaviour because the DA is an arena intended to be used as a tool for the 'MA players' is woefully out of date.

If you want the kind of fights you seem to be suggesting then you need to get to the lake anytime between about 2am - 9am Central Time Zone (North America) (UTC-6), when it is less populated. The regulars call this 'the breakfast club' and you can usually expect better fights and a little more manners than at other times.

I say usually because even this is steadily slipping away. Those that try to encourage more sportsmanlike play are basically getting tired of trying to keep the standard even slightly above moshpit. Some days it is utterly pointless. Even with as little as 6 players, there might still be 2 Tempests and at least one player trying to systematically pick.

If Aces High players want the behaviour at the lake to change, then a change to the arena itself must be made.

<--- member of the breakfast club

[nrshida]

What a shameless AvA hijack. Thanks for the jet week though, I dropped in a few times and had fun. Was still pretty quiet at my time of day however.

NCLawman, I didn't suggest that you had suggested a change. The mere suggestion that I suggested that suggests you have not understood my suggestion.

I was trying to explain that your perplexion at the behaviour / state of play there isn't objective. Once the DA might have been a different place, so I read. But it is different now, there is basically a community of it's own playing in there regularly.

There is a scoring system of a sort in the DA. Statistics are recorded about kills / deaths etc. for those who are interested in that sort of thing. This was once removed but some of the regulars complained and it was reinstated. The scores are now reset periodically. The arena system messages about landing kills are the same too. This is what I meant about a similar motivation / reward producing similar behaviour.

Some of you MA 'experts' need to update your opinions. If you think the ability of the average DA player is inferior to the average MA player then you're way out of date with both arenas.

[Ardy123]

The problem with the da is that many newer players gravitate there. They don't have the skills yet to fight using ACMs, so they resort to what they can do and still achieve some level of success.  I believe the solution is better education on how to fly and fight. If they knew how to execute ACM's don't you think they would use them?

This of course, will not occur because the majority of players behave as if they were god's gift to cartoon ww2 aerial combat and thus believe that they are not in need of training nor are they open to learning from others. The mere offer of training them, they resort to insults and how they believe they are the best thing since sliced bread, an attitude that still perplexes me  (esp when many have been playing less than 2 mo).

Ignorance is bliss I guess...

[CAP1]

What a shameless AvA hijack. Thanks for the jet week though, I dropped in a few times and had fun. Was still pretty quiet at my time of day however.

NCLawman, I didn't suggest that you had suggested a change. The mere suggestion that I suggested that suggests you have not understood my suggestion.

I was trying to explain that your perplexion at the behaviour / state of play there isn't objective. Once the DA might have been a different place, so I read. But it is different now, there is basically a community of it's own playing in there regularly.

There is a scoring system of a sort in the DA. Statistics are recorded about kills / deaths etc. for those who are interested in that sort of thing. This was once removed but some of the regulars complained and it was reinstated. The scores are now reset periodically. The arena system messages about landing kills are the same too. This is what I meant about a similar motivation / reward producing similar behaviour.

Some of you MA 'experts' need to update your opinions. If you think the ability of the average DA player is inferior to the average MA player then you're way out of date with both arenas.

well, i did admit to being a shameless bastage.