Anti Air Guns

[curry1]

After WW2, the USN took the numbers of all the 5" AA rounds fired and statistically averaged out that it took 1,000 rounds per plane kill.  Not that it actually took 1,000 rounds to kill a plane, but that was the statistical average.  Again, this in no way validates or confirms the OP's original whine..err wish that ack of any kind in AH is too powerful. 

The only real issue with the any of the acks is how the puffy acks track the target in regards to being able to track and fire at planes that flying are flying on the other side of a mountain that is between the plane and the fleet.  There is nothing wrong with the lethality levels of any of the AAA guns and those that claim there is are the ones that are using piss poor tactics and are paying the price.  Basically, these whines..err wishes to tone down the lethality of the AAA guns are from those that want to vulch or fly through enemy acks umolested. 

ack-ack

No one is saying it takes 1000 5" hits to kill a plane but ya can see how the accuracy of the 5" gun is by those numbers.

[Ping]

AA be it on the fields or on the CV group I find fine.  Its accurate enough to keep you wary,
but not invincible.

I routinely Dive bomb the CV Group in a fighter and fly away,
I also will straffe AA at fields, and fly away afterwards.

I suggest its in your approaches and tactics that make it so bad.

What aircraft are you using? Armour may make a difference as well.

[Ack-Ack]

No one is saying it takes 1000 5" hits to kill a plane but ya can see how the accuracy of the 5" gun is by those numbers.

The 5" guns were actually quite accurate but as the old adage goes, the more lead you put out the greater chance of hitting something.  It was far more effective to throw out as much of a wall of lead around the ships as possible and had really nothing do with the mispercieved inaccuracy of the radar guided 5" guns used by the USN during WW2.

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[kvuo75]

As it stands now, there is NO way for AAA at a base to take down a bomber unless he is stupid enough to come NOE.  All I have to do is get a pack of B-17s up to 8.5K and the base is toast. 

thats high enough for auto ack, but not manned. I hit bombers flying over at 4.5k yds (13500 ft) range all the time with 37mm field guns.

[B4Buster]

BigKev, if you fly a high-alt bomber raid over strat where you experience puffy ack, I can guarantee that 80% or more of your bombers will survive. Ack in AH is fine. It is a matter of tactics employed rather than ack lethality. Someone can't expect to survive running down the length of a field by themselves and expect to live. Shorter routes in ack range and teamwork need to be used. Vultures have it too easy as is.

[B4Buster]

Whoops. I apologize for that redundant sentence. On my crackberry and couldn't see my whole post.

[dirtdart]

I like the current ack settings albeit they can be lethal they are no where near as bad as the last starfighter deathblossom that they used to be.  It used to be unlikely a single plane could deack a field.  Now it is plausible.  For the record, I got single hit PK from auto ack yesterday, from the very first tracer that came up from the field, so I feel your pain.  

To the OP... keep looking for the data, some guys are just wrong.  Had a guy try to tell me that the Jug N was a clipped wing version of the jug, and never cared to admit that he was wrong although he posts here daily like a sage on high.  Stick to your guns, just find something more tangible then a first hand personal account.  

[Ack-Ack]

To the OP... keep looking for the data, some guys are just wrong.  Had a guy try to tell me that the Jug N was a clipped wing version of the jug, and never cared to admit that he was wrong although he posts here daily like a sage on high.  Stick to your guns, just find something more tangible then a first hand personal account.  

When people refer to a plane with clipped wings, they aren't referring to the wings being "shortened" but rather the wing tips being clipped or "blunted" compared to the regular wings.

P-47N with clipped or "blunted wing tips"


P-47M with regular wing tips


/hijack over and thank you for playing, better luck next time.

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[Dr_Death8]

it has been, it used to be full auto fire. now its just 3-5 round burst for the 20mm (i believe) and single shot for the auto 37mm. thats as close to being "nerfed" as your gonna get man, sorry.

It is 3-5 TRACER bursts. There should be rounds between the tracers you cannot see, unless the game is set up as all tracers.

[dirtdart]

When people refer to a plane with clipped wings, they aren't referring to the wings being "shortened" but rather the wing tips being clipped or "blunted" compared to the regular wings.

P-47N with clipped or "blunted wing tips"
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P-47M with regular wing tips
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/hijack over and thank you for playing, better luck next time.

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lol... you said 36 inches shorter, nice try "expert"

[dirtdart]

But way to air yourself out.  For the record... a clipped wing in most terms, most people I reckon means shorter.... like say a "clipped wing cub"  or a "clipped wing spit" quit trying to dig yourself in deeper.  Back to the OP, like I said no one in here knows everything, stick to your guns if you think you can support it with data.  Some of us have a lack of resources which prevent us from knowing all things about WWII vehicles and stats.

[Ack-Ack]

When people refer to a plane with clipped wings, they aren't referring to the wings being "shortened" but rather the wing tips being clipped or "blunted" compared to the regular wings.

P-47N with clipped or "blunted wing tips"
(Image removed from quote.)

P-47M with regular wing tips
(Image removed from quote.)

/hijack over and thank you for playing, better luck next time.

ack-ack




lol... you said 36 inches shorter, nice try "expert"

I never said anything of the sort, you must have me confused with someone else then if someone made that comment especially since the N model had a redesigned longer wing for the two 50 gallon fuel tanks that were added.  Nice try though, better luck next time kiddo.

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[dirtdart]

I never said anything of the sort, you must have me confused with someone else then if someone made that comment. 

ack-ack

Nope, I am not.  Long screed of a conversation on jugs on country about a month ago.  Anyhoo... my point is, no one knows everything and there are always perspectives to be respected. 

[Ack-Ack]

Nope, I am not.  Long screed of a conversation on jugs on country about a month ago.  Anyhoo... my point is, no one knows everything and there are always perspectives to be respected. 

Please, post the screenshot of my saying what you claim that I said then. 

ack-ack

[dirtdart]

Please, post the screenshot of my saying what you claim that I said then.  

ack-ack

No.  A system crash (sigh) prevents it.  This will result in impasse which is why I kept you out of it till you saw your way in.