Anti Air Guns

[The Fugitive]

No.  A system crash (sigh) prevents it.  This will result in impasse which is why I kept you out of it till you saw your way in.  

LOL!!!


You do bring them out of the wood work Ak-Ak 

[Plawranc]

He does cause he intends too. He hasnt learnt that being friendly and chilled gets you more friends, and makes you have a better time playing the game yet. One day he will, but my breath is not going to be held to that expense.

[Ack-Ack]

He does cause he intends too. He hasnt learnt that being friendly and chilled gets you more friends, and makes you have a better time playing the game yet. One day he will, but my breath is not going to be held to that expense.

LOL!  No offense but I really don't give a rat's bellybutton what a tool like you thinks of me nor do tools such as yourself prevent me from enjoying my time playing the game.  In fact, shooting down and beating the crap out of unskilled ankle humping tools such as yourself provides me hours of enjoyment and has so for the last 17 years I've played these games.

We can keep going on nancy boy if you like, otherwise get off the ankle kiddo.

ack-ack

[dirtdart]

LOL!  No offense but I really don't give a rat's bellybutton what a tool like you thinks of me nor do tools such as yourself prevent me from enjoying my time playing the game.  In fact, shooting down and beating the crap out of unskilled ankle humping tools such as yourself provides me hours of enjoyment and has so for the last 17 years I've played these games.

We can keep going on nancy boy if you like, otherwise get off the ankle kiddo.

ack-ack

I guess you are immune to forum rules....

1.  Ack Ack the fact that you have been playing games like these for 17 years makes me laugh.  I guess if I go back to my first PC based game, it would be FS 1 on a PCjr with the 64KB expansion mod back in 1985 or so (128KB or memory, what a beast that was ).  So youngin you ain't the oldest thing in here. You may have your own business, etc... but your position of eminent expert is diminished by your sarcastic, bullyish, moronic responses.  I respect your knowledge, but certainly not you. 

2.  Unlike you, a virtual world sally, I have actually been there and done that. 

3.  If you go to the bugs forum and look for my name, the last update crashed my system, check the date.  Since AH is not the center of my existance, everything lives in one file.  I guess I need to create a new one for screen shots titled "BBs tool". 

4.  The fact that you jumped in on this thread just demonstrates to me that you have nothing better to do in life than hijack a thread to flame anything. 

5.  Again to the OP, stick to your guns, jackwagons like this bottom feeding fungus of a creature will always be here as a naysayer.  Do the research and stick to your guns.  There are multiple versions of history, multiple interpretations of data, and frankly no one has all of them. 

[STEELE]

+1 for the OP, sure most shoot-downs were from AA, the germans had btwn 150-200 (or more) QUAD 20mm AA guns near some airfields, I dare anyone to fly through that! OTOH, if there were only 10-15 to contend with...

[Plawranc]

LOL!  No offense but I really don't give a rat's bellybutton what a tool like you thinks of me nor do tools such as yourself prevent me from enjoying my time playing the game.  In fact, shooting down and beating the crap out of unskilled ankle humping tools such as yourself provides me hours of enjoyment and has so for the last 17 years I've played these games.

We can keep going on nancy boy if you like, otherwise get off the ankle kiddo.

ack-ack

Point illustrated. You act like an A hole for the pure fact that you can. That annoys me. And I do not know who is a greater tool, the one claiming to be all seeing and all knowing, or the one who has a GF, school, a Part Time Job, and a NCO rank in ROTC, who likes to have fun flying planes on his computer (which I have been doing for  12 years) and a love of aviation. And its this fact which makes me respect 800Nate and other 12 year olds more than you.

and the funny part of that whole bit is your going to say thats no big deal. But replace the simulation with actual flying or RC flying or Airfix kits, and almost eveery other person on this board started out the exact same way I am doing now. So by attacking me you attack everyone on this board.

The simple fact is your a d!ck , and go around proclaiming it, you purposely do it, your not mad or angry at us, you just do what you do for laughs and annoying the rest of us. You have a high and mighty opinion of yourself that proves that you are a far greater tool than I could ever hope to be, and are intent of ruining the good intentions, and fair points brought up anywhere on this game for the sake of satisfying your huge asss ego.

I just want to have a good time playing the game, its not for the shooting, or for the ego boosts. But its for the friends you make on it, some squads im on first name terms with, and its that that keeps me around, not the game itself but the "good" people to play it with.

You joined this community to play the game and enjoy the air combat, I respect that. And did so when I was about 8 years old. BUT, you seem to lost that and replace it with a air of hostility and trying to prove how big, but in this case small your wang is.

So, why dont you do this board, and Game a favour, and QUIT, unless you have something constructive, or friendly to say.

Pacman

[MarineUS]

he's the biggest troll on the forums. That's what happens when you're spoiled. I get tired of reading threads just to see him throwing his used tampon around and not being punished for it. I can't stand him.

Flame on.

[Ping]

So to bring this back on topic MarineUs

To Avoid falling victim to the Ack-Ack you must use appropriate tactics.

Field ack as well as CV ack is completely survivable. If you are always being killed
by it you are doing something wrong.
Re-Up and Re-Invent your approach.

[Ping]

Whaoh...I just made Silver Member..
  How many friken years? 

If you want a good time join a Scenario. It always Blows away the MA 

[Guppy35]

I suggest taking the time to visit Normandy and travel the roads from Caen to Falaise visiting the cemeteries along the way.  I was amazed at the number of fighter bomber/ground attack pilots are buried alongside the ground troops.  Do a bit of reading on the Tiffie pilots supporting the ground troops.  They lost a lot of pilots to ack.  An old Airwarrior pilot who was a ground attack pilot in WW2 flying Jugs said if they didn't get hit, they figured they were doing something wrong. 

The general rule attacking an airfield was one pass.  Going back once the ack was alerted was almost certainly a death wish. 

If anything the ack in AH isn't tough enough.

[Avanti]

No offense but his comments hardly prove your point.  Try posting some real concrete data that tries to prove your whine..err wish.

Can you guess what shot down more planes than anything else?  Probably not, but here is a hint..it starts with an "A"...


ack-ack

Aeroplanes
Aircraft
Aces
Anton "Toni" Hafner
Adrian Philip Goldsmith
Andrew William Barr
Alexander Vraciu
Akio Matsuba

[BrownBaron]

it starts with an "A"...

...ammunition?

[mipoikel]

I didnt find the story from the net but didnt Closterman told his story they lost several tempests in one pass ground attack? Ack was really lethal.

[SmokinLoon]

There is always a balance that must be struck between reality and game play.  Otherwise neither would be had.

I believe that the current levels of accuracy and damage are sufficient.  I'm not sure how it could be coded, but the damage that a 40mm Bofors (manned or auto ack) can do to a tank at 1000 yards or more seems a bit much.   

[CAP1]

Ack, I have to disagree with you on this.  I will research it and find the article that discussed a study of the affect of AA for both the Germans and the Allies in WWII.  If I remember correctly over 80% of bombers made it to their targets even with high tech AA systems in place.  True some radar guided AA was effective but not to the point where it stopped bombing raids.  What gave the 8th Air Force problems was bein gunescorted into Germany and German fighters having a field day.  If possible can you provide stats to back up your pont?  Not being a sweetie  or anythign but if you have the data then that would be great to see and then it may answer questions for all of us.

BigKev

 i was gonna stay out of this one.......but if 80% made it to target, then why did the mighty 8th suspend raids after their second attempt at schweinfurt? (at least that's what i think i read)

 i think their losses were about 65% at ploesti, around 60% each time at schweinfurt.